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Ship Spinning Inc. [SLOTS] celebrating return of ship spinning with contest

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Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#1 - 2011-10-18 15:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc. is a relatively young endeavor to provide ISK-based slot machines to the lucky pilots of New Eden. You can find our website at http://shipspinning.com

Initially the name was meant as a ploy on pilots' nostalgia about the missing ship spinning. However, we would like to celebrate the return of ship spinning with a contest: design your own slot machine!

The details, as per the [SLOTS] news post here, are:
Quote:

Objective: Propose the most fun new slot machine you can think of. A slot machine consists of: a collection of 4-6 prizes from cheap to very expensive (no less for the sake of variety, no more for the sake of your win chances), plus a title and description. Prizes must be deliverable in Jita 4-4. That means, I can't give out Avatars, but Avatar blueprints I can. You can propose weighting for the prizes, but ultimately they will be governed by the market.

Prize: Your slot machine will join the ranks of slot machines available, plus your choice of either 100 million ISK to do with as you choose, or 200 million ISK in [SLOTS] credit. Feeling lucky?

Submission: Send me (Viddyi Dukima) a mail with your submission, or post your entry in this forum thread.


Update (10/31):
The end of the contest has not been announced yet, and I am still trying to decide when to make it be so. The tentative time is the end of November. What will happen at that point is I will create a voting site featuting all the submitted slot machines, and everyone will be able to vote on which one should be incorporated into Ship Spinning Inc. So far I've seen some pretty cool submissions (which have given me some cool ideas of my own), and I can't wait to see more.

Update (12/05):

The contest is closed and The poll is up!

As this is a Google form, it is completely anonymous, so feel free to vote for yourself, and to get all your friends (in-game and out-of-game) to vote for you! Advertise in game, run campaigns, whatever. Get the word out!

Voting will continue for (approximately) 20 days, until Christmas, at which point Santa will be giving the winner of this contest a very well-deserved prize!

Lastly, I have been persuaded to increase the stakes! There will be two prizes now offered:

1st place: Your slot machine will be implemented, and you will receive your choice of either 100 million ISK in cold hard cash, or 300 million ISK in [SLOTS] credit (up from the previous 200 million).

2nd place: You will receive 100 million ISK in [SLOTS] credit. All the plenty to play the winner's slot machine, eh? Smile

Have fun!

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
#2 - 2011-10-18 16:21:06 UTC
Reported you for double posting your "advertisment".

Your **** has nothing to do with TechLab.
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#3 - 2011-10-18 16:27:05 UTC
Er, I don't see any double post? The forums glitched and didn't submit the first time I hit post, but I checked that it didn't actually show up before submitting again. If it did anyway, I apologize

I thought long and hard about which forum to put this in. I'm not asking for any of your money, but genuinely for your thoughts and ideas, and offering a reward. If there's a better place to post it, please direct me to it.

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-18 17:22:16 UTC
Since this is an event about designing the best slot machine for EVE, this thread is moved from EVE Technology Lab.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#5 - 2011-10-18 18:00:31 UTC
Alright, thanks!

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#6 - 2011-10-19 21:09:19 UTC
Aaand we have our first contest submission, from Jelrenja Scatterhood! Here it is:

Quote:

Title: "Broken Equipment Puzzle"
Description: "Some of our loved Ships and Implants are broken into pieces. Perhaps you can merge them back into their normal Form. Maybe u can find something that helps you on your Journey in the deep Spaces of New Eden."
Price to spin: 1,000,000.00 ISK
Prizes: Retribution, 2,500,000.00 ISK Credit, Covetor, ((Powler/Prorator/Crane/Viator)T2 Cloaking Industrial), Basic Implant Set, Sabre.


I will be posting any Eve-mailed submissions I receive here, for the fairness of the contest.

You may also have mentioned that I have not specified an end time for it yet. Since [SLOTS] is not exactly well-known, I cannot set a specific date and be confident that I will receive enough entries by then to make a decision. However, a tentative end to the contest is November 1st, 2011. Let your friends know, and everyone propose your own slot machine. Who knows, you might be the lucky egger to pocket 100 mil ISK!

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#7 - 2011-10-24 03:24:50 UTC
The contest is still going on, everyone! Enter today, or Jelrenja gets a free pass!

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Jelrenja Scatterhood
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-24 10:06:28 UTC
C'mon guys,

i don't wanna be the "Lone Soldier".... but anyway i dont wanna any reward if there is no competition, that wouldnt be fair.
I hope there are some smart ppl outside who will post some "Slot Machines" too.

Btw i got some "Site-Technical Improvement suggestions" but didnt thought to the end. I'm working on em.

Good Luck all Spinners hope to see ya in Game
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#9 - 2011-10-24 16:47:26 UTC
Thanks for the bump, Jelrengja!

C'mon everyone! There's 100 mil ISK at stake! 200, if you take it in the form of [SLOTS] credit!

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Jelrenja Scatterhood
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-25 04:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jelrenja Scatterhood
Here i got some improvements for ur Site.
Just some suggestions, but maybe u can give me some feedback about the reason to implement or not implement.Big smile

  • If u have a Station enabled u can see the prices, and when u move your Mouse over a price u can see a tooltip. Maybe its
    • possible to add the info about the wins within last 24hrs/week/month.

    Like this:
    1,500,000 ISK Credit
    Ship Spinning Credit: 1,500,000 ISK
    Wins last 24hrs/week/month: 3 times

    Just as small info w/o searching through "Winners Section" to find out if it would ever spinned yet.Roll

  • Changing the colour of all Spinning Costs from white to yellow or smth else, for more overview instead of only white Text.

  • I would like to see a rearrange of the Stations and prices, from cheapest until the most expensive. Stations up to down
    • and prices left to right.

  • Is it possible to add a "Top Ten" List in the winners section from the players had won the most ISK ( Ships + ISK )

    • Like this:
    1. Shingyoku 435,000,000 ISK
    2. Jelrenja Scatterhood 22,500,000 ISK

    Actualisation every Day? maybe week, don't know about the realisation possibilities.

  • I've noticed that we have some free space on the News Site. Maybe u can add on the left side of the News the Names from the Players who won a ship within last 24 hrs. If a Player won 2 or more different ships, should still showed up only one time.

  • My favourite idea was about the "Biggest Looser Surprise"Twisted. The player who have the most spins w/o a Price over a
    • week?/month? Get a special Code who grants some Spin ISK maybe 5,000,000 ISK. Just as small Bonus for his bad luck.
    This Code lasts only 3 Days to activate.

    To make it fair for all spinners the spins have to count like this

    500,000 ISK Spin x1
    1,000,000 ISk Spin x2
    2,000,000 ISK Spin x4
    2,500,000 ISK Spin x5

    Example:

    Player 1 spins 10 times for 500,000 ISK have 7 spins w/o price so he have 7 BLP (Biggest Looser Points)
    Player 2 spins 2 times for 2,500,000 ISK both spin w/o price so he get 10 BLP

    So the counter couldn't be manipulated with only spinning low budget Spins and everyone get the same chance.
    But the counterpart is who can spend more money collect more BLP

    You can make it only per lost spins as 2nd opinion. which from both is the best, you have to decide.

    If u implement a BLP Scoreboard is up to u

    U can post this into the Forum like this:

    Another week of Ship Spinning have passed we had many winners, but also some people with bad luck. This week with a total of 173 BLP Shingyoku recieved the "Biggest Looser Bonus". We hope he have more luck in the next week.

    ...



Ok thats it for the Time. I hope there are some good ideas within and i`ll get some player feedback

Just my 2 Cents

Jelrenja Scatterhood
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#11 - 2011-10-25 21:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Viddyi Dukima
Whooooa. That's a lot of stuff! Let me address it individually.

Ship prices, number won recently on mouseover. This is a pretty good idea, and not that hard for me to do, since most of the code to do it is already in place. I'll consider it!

Make station costs more visible. Certainly. I didn't think they were that bad, but if it's got you complaining it must be.

Station/price re-arranging. While this is technically pretty trivial to do, I'm not going to do it yet since I have a revamp of the whole station-choosing interface planned. They will be sorted into categories, which will themselves be sortable by price, and station name.

"Top Ten" winner list. I was already thinking of having a display at the top saying how much ISK in prizes has been won so far (similar to how Somer Blink does it). This proposal of yours follows pretty naturally.

Recent winners ticker next to the news. How about shifting the news panel off-center, and then fitting a portrait of the winner and an image of the prize they won? The portrait can also be clickable in game to get to their "Show Info" window for easy contact, and their name could show up on mouse over.

Bad Luck Points. An interesting idea, but I have to sit on it for now and think about how it would work and how I could balance it. See, many (but not all) of the people you see winning ship after ship donate very large amounts of ISK, so the reason they win a lot of ships is simply because they had a lot of tries. They can go for losing streaks, too, and the fact they are using a lot of spins means that I'd be basically giving them more prizes while not doing much for those more casual players (like yourself).

... Why does this sound like a 99% vs 1% argument? OCCUPY SHIP SPINNING.

Edit: You may want to keep this in the other thread, since that's more "ship spinning discussion". This place is for the contest.

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Justin Ackaris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-28 05:51:03 UTC
How about a Covert Ops slot machine with the below stats:

Title: "Building your stealth assets is the key to Survival"
Description: "Lurking in the dark, waiting to end your fun: Stealth Bombers could always be there"
Price to spin: 1,000,000 ISK
Prizes: 1,500,000.00 ISK Credit, Manticore, Hound, Purifier, Nemesis.

OR

Researched Ammo BPO Raffle:

Title: "Everyone needs ammo"
Description: "Ammo BPOs lead to great profits with research and invention initiatives"
Price to spin: 500,000 ISK
Prizes: EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot L Researched BPOs, EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot M Researched BPOs, EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot S Researched BPOs, 1,000,000 ISK Credit.
Jelrenja Scatterhood
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-28 07:10:50 UTC
Hiho Justin,

the Covert Ops Spin is a nice idea too.

But cant get which BP's u can win in ur 2nd Slotmachine. maybe u should edit it a bit. Like "Hybrid S BPO of ur choice" or smth else.

k r
Jel
Justin Ackaris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-29 05:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Ackaris
Jelrenja Scatterhood wrote:
Hiho Justin,

the Covert Ops Spin is a nice idea too.

But cant get which BP's u can win in ur 2nd Slotmachine. maybe u should edit it a bit. Like "Hybrid S BPO of ur choice" or smth else.

k r
Jel


My idea with then second slot machine was you could win a set of Ammo BPOs so:

1 prize is Large BPO Set: EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot L Researched BPOs
1 prize is Medium BPO Set: EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot M Researched BPOs and so on.

I chose projectile as the example because that's what I'm familiar with but them same principle could work with ANY ammo.

Obviously the large BPO set is more expensive than the medium, medium more so than small. The single BPO of your choice would work also but you could use the one slot machine setup with your suggestion as ''Small BPO of your choice"so that you could then choose ammo, hybrid etc.
Jelrenja Scatterhood
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-29 08:47:35 UTC
Heya o/

no i know what u mean. You're right. Anyway nice idea. I hope it isn't against the contest rules to post 2 slotmachines Blink

k r

Jel
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#16 - 2011-10-31 16:20:48 UTC
Justin Ackaris wrote:
How about a Covert Ops slot machine with the below stats:

Title: "Building your stealth assets is the key to Survival"
Description: "Lurking in the dark, waiting to end your fun: Stealth Bombers could always be there"
Price to spin: 1,000,000 ISK
Prizes: 1,500,000.00 ISK Credit, Manticore, Hound, Purifier, Nemesis.

OR

Researched Ammo BPO Raffle:

Title: "Everyone needs ammo"
Description: "Ammo BPOs lead to great profits with research and invention initiatives"
Price to spin: 500,000 ISK
Prizes: EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot L Researched BPOs, EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot M Researched BPOs, EMP, Phased Plasma, Fusion, Titanium Sabot S Researched BPOs, 1,000,000 ISK Credit.


I am going to use your first slot machine idea, since it is the closest to what a slot machine should be.

The second one has far too many available prizes. See, how the slots in a slot machine work is, the three reels need to land on the same position. Therefore, if there are (for example) 4 available prizes, if there were 1 of each on each reel, then the chance for winning any one of them would be (1/4)^3, which is 1/64, or 1.5%. The actual slot machines have a different amount of each prize on each reel (amount which is kept a secret between me and my spreadsheets), which leads to different odds for different prizes.

What the problem is with your second reel is that it has 12 prizes. That means that, if I were to have one of each on the reels, you would have a (1/12)^3, or 1/1728, or 0.05% chance to win any of them. If I gave a particular one more weight over the others, then the ones that don't get to be "probable" will have an even lower chance -- leading to the players being completely ripped off. The only solution would be for me to price the slot machine at something like 500 ISK, which wastes everyone's precious time.

That is why I asked submissions to be kept at 4-6 prizes per reel. I have empirically tested that those with 4-6 prizes best provide the best Fun Quotient™.

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#17 - 2011-10-31 16:23:55 UTC
There is an update in the OP about the tenative date for the end of the contest, and what happens at that point.

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Justin Ackaris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-31 21:27:29 UTC
Actually there are only 4 prizes. Each prize is a SET of BPOs as explained in Post #14. Prizes for the slot machine are as follows:
1 Large BPO set of 4,
1 Medium BPO set of 4,
1 Small BPO set of 4 or
the ISK.

The idea was clear in my head but must have been confusing when I tried to explain it.
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#19 - 2011-10-31 22:25:44 UTC
Ooooh I get it now. Thanks for explaining!

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
Viddyi Dukima
Ship Spinning Inc.
#20 - 2011-11-01 21:01:55 UTC
The contest is still going, everyone! Enter to win shiny prizes!

Ship Spining Inc. [SLOTS] - http://shipspinning.com

Slot machine gambling for ISK! Fair high payouts and transparency, all with no RMT or other shady business! More details in forum thread here: http://bit.ly/1dxVY8a
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