EVE General Discussion

EvE has gotten stale and boring over the last few expansions. Nothing really new or major was introduced. I wouldn't even call them "expansions" as they did little to expand the EvE universe. There have been bug fix patches that produced more than expansions as of late.

IF U WANT TO PLAY THE SNIPERS GAME U HAVE TO GOD DAM WAIT WAR AINT ONE ON ONE ITS MASSES ON MASSES

SAME GOS TO THE OP

Join ze brainzless blob they have cookies and virtual moneyz to buy you ships and crap so u don't have to.

Then why are you defending the "blob warfare is the only way to play" mindset?


Care to mention where this is happening, and if it's occuring in something other than T1 frigs and destroyers?


I'm not quite sure of your point, since I'm looking to shoot other players (well, their avatars) in the face, which is hardly a single player activity unless I start shooting my own alt. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to do so in a small gang or solo. It's still gaming with and against other people any way you look at it.


I was going to reply to this, then I saw...



...and realized I've been talking with someone who hasn't been playing long enough to know jack or squat beyond the very basics of the game. As someone who has been watching EVE evolve (or, in many instances devolve) over the last 8 years, I think it's safe to say that I have just a tiny bit more perspective than you on the way things work.

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Less attractive to play with, every day.

Well, that's what you get for being married ...


(Also: Consumers ... on one hand you amuse me, on the other hand it's sad)

I have had the opportunity to play since 2005 in some very successful roaming alliances. People whose sole focus it was to PvP. Making ISK was only a means to fund their PvP needs. I have seen the game change in manner where slowly and rather unwittingly the devs have stifled the opportunity for smaller gangs to harass bigger ones.

0.0 PvP is essential and important. But apart from a few people - it is about all about being able to listen carefully, click where and when the FC tells you to.

Smaller gangs however have been about a lot more; piloting the ship, keeping range, hit and run, using the map intelligently, splitting up larger gangs, taking out their tackle and then harassing the slower ones, and all the while trying to stay alive against superior firepower. All of this was facilitated by using ships that had three key attributes - 1) speed, 2) ability to deal reasonable damage, 3) ability to deal that damage without having to be up close to the larger fleet.

There is a very big difference between gangs that just want to roam, stay alive and gank the occasional victim, versus gangs that want to engage bigger gangs for the thrill and challenge of it. In the latter i am in complete agreement that it has become increasingly painful to achieve this.

There are plenty of videos on You Tube which will show you gangs of 10 odd ships decimating much larger gangs and heavier ships, or getting decimated in the attempt. Intense gameplay for one who ventures.

I don't deny that these fights happen even today, but i can tell you that they are increasingly rare.

Key problems IMHO are;

a) Logistics scale in a linear way - small gangs rely on being able to take out targets quickly, but when those targets can repped endlessly the small gang is powerless. A chain of 3-4 logis can rep a massive amount of dps.
b) Speed - the nano nerf was welcome, it took away ludicrous speed, but it may have gone too far. the warp scrambler's ability to kill the mwd instantly is a good example.
c) fighting whilst keeping range - a key ingredient to small gang pvp. changes to ships have meant that increasingly small number of ships can keep range wh The vagabond, mainstay of small gang pvpers has been rendered redundant by Tier 3 BCs. Yes, the Talos is still viable in this role, but doens't come anywhere close to how effective the Vagabond was.

So to end my long rambling post, I can only say that small gangs are essential to keep the excitement alive and they must be empowered with some of the tools they had to ply their trade. it makes 0.0 more exciting, keeps players in big alliances on their toes and most of it is an adrenaline rush like you can't find in any other game.

^^ YES!! I am not alone, at last. Vote for Omnibears!!

I was once in a fleet in WIDot, and we had a fleet commander who separated our 200 man Mael fleet into three wings, and each wing was given a Wing Commander, and they called the primaries for each wing. We were defending a POS, and when a 350 man Baddon fleet showed up we thought we were going to all die horrible. But we tore them a new one, they were killing 1 ship per volley, and we were killing three because each wing was insta-killing one ship each. By the time 30 of our ships went down they had already lost 100 men. It took a very short period after that until they realised they were getting pwned and warpped off, never to return again.

It was awesome.

No offence to blob FCs, because I know it's difficult talking to three different sets of voices, but most blobs are horribly underutilized.

This isn't terribly relevant, but it does show that with a little thought, motivation and skill you can take out fleet significantly bigger than your own. Now with the frigate buffs its going to be increasingly easy to bring in a speed tanked kiting logi ship to help out. They will be able to to put out decent tanks to very spread out small gangs, its going to be fantastic.

OH MY GOD , they removed the straps?

Nerf all the ships you want CCP but give us back our straps for the love of god.

people mad about lack of small scale pvp make me giggle *goes back to FW*