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DON'T FLY A TENGU.. unless you are .......

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-10-19 10:18:40 UTC
while this is a stupid thread, HML cloak tengu is already total garbage and after the dps and range nerf will be so bad, you might as well consider a covops frig for better dps.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-10-19 10:28:39 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
while this is a stupid thread, HML cloak tengu is already total garbage and after the dps and range nerf will be so bad, you might as well consider a covops frig for better dps.

But I'm not eve fitting a cloaky HML
I am fitting for a Heavy DPS HAMgu

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#103 - 2012-10-19 10:48:27 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
Lol.... this is awesome, I think I'm the only one who's clicked...


No, I noticed it, too.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#104 - 2012-10-19 10:54:52 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
while this is a stupid thread, HML cloak tengu is already total garbage and after the dps and range nerf will be so bad, you might as well consider a covops frig for better dps.

But I'm not eve fitting a cloaky HML
I am fitting for a Heavy DPS HAMgu


In case you missed my post a couple of pages back, here is a side by side comparison of your skills with your fit, to my skills with your fit.

The difference is fairly drastic, and should give you a good idea of how much things change after you've trained your skills up by quite a bit. As many others in this thread, I don't really like your Tengu fit, but I just wanted to use it purely as a side by side example.

Mine is without implants that would help the numbers, and even without the rigs.

http://imageshack.us/a/img571/6869/tengueft.jpg

As for the 100mn Tengu's,

They can be quite difficult to fit, let alone fly. But I highly doubt you have the skills trained that would let you fly a 100mn in the first place. They tend to be a fairly tight fit.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#105 - 2012-10-19 11:08:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply.

But you had me going there for a minute.

Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P

Yep, most of my tengu fits use T2 MBLA + 2 flares or bay thrusters for HAM, the only alternative is 2 rigors + flare or 3 field extenders for thundercats. There's no excuse no to imo. Tengus really don't need CCCs (aside from 100mn ones), they're a damn waste of rig slots/calibrations since we can fit a reasonable or even an absurd level of tank without resorting to large even med boosters.

My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Sry if you can't find out how to. Now if you ask me if this might actually have any use, I'd say probably. Do I fit it alike and use all the necessary stuff to bring it at those numbers?-no

But is it possible? -yes it is.

Did I say it was impossible? No. But for the vast majority of T3 pilots, including those who use them in PVP, it's rather unrealistic. Officer fit with full slave set, max damage implants (including Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink), T2 trimarks, full Legion boosts, and overheat were necessary to get it to 1396 DPS and 438k EHP.

If you're going to put out numbers, make sure you didn't have to create a completely ridiculous fit to get there.



It's just like the same old stupid calling for "nurf Tengu" when they're talking about specific setups using billions os isk/implants/combat boosters and OGB.

A T2 fitted Tengu was never and will never ever be OP or even something you really want to fly. The fact you can use some more or less chapo ded mods to make it function properly doesn't make it OP neither but a valid option you pay with extra weeks training, a valid option hundreds of stupid are unable to understand the major problem why Drakes and Tengus are that used is their weapon system and so on.

So it's good to talk about how op some ships with billions of fitting are but not others? -then it's called misinformation, not a discussion.

brb
Matthew97
#106 - 2012-10-19 11:09:59 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16


Wait until heavys get a nerf of 20% DPS xD

Also my Tengu atm can pull out something aroud 530dps with a EHP of (Much higher than 50k)
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#107 - 2012-10-19 11:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
And as a side question...

Was there a reason why you thought you should train your Caldari sub system skills up BEFORE EVEN HAVING trained Caldari Strategic Cruiser?

And further, a reason why you bothered before even training Caldari cruiser 5 in the first place?

:P
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-10-19 11:16:31 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
And as a side question...

Was there a reason why you thought you should train your Caldari sub system skills up BEFORE EVEN HAVING trained Caldari Strategic Cruiser?

And further, a reason why you bothered without even having Caldari cruiser 5 yet? :P


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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#109 - 2012-10-19 11:17:38 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
And as a side question...

Was there a reason why you thought you should train your Caldari sub system skills up BEFORE EVEN HAVING trained Caldari Strategic Cruiser?

And further, a reason why you bothered without even having Caldari cruiser 5 yet? :P


peer pressure Roll


*Throws you a bottle of pills and lets you know that all the cool kids are doing them.*
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-10-19 11:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
i love my 'gu

gunna have to invest in sheettty HAMs too, that sucks i dont want to tickle people at 60k with HML when i can mess them up far better with some artys.

dont give me the balance bull, HMLs are not the great destroyer, blobs of drakes use HMLs well BECAUSE ITS A BLOB DURR anything is good when you have 200 of them.

sigh

RIP HML tengu

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#111 - 2012-10-19 11:20:49 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16


@Ivy

Just in case this has not already been mentioned : Each time your Tengu explodes, be prepared to lose 1 whole Skill level in a randomly-selected skill related to the Tengu T3 module rigs.

If your core skills are not all at 5's, you're not going to benefit from the best this ship delivers. It was never meant to be cheap or easy to fly and losing a ship like this carries it's penalties. You don't just lose a ship, you lose a skill level.

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#112 - 2012-10-19 11:21:18 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
i love my 'gu

gunna have to invest in sheettty HAMs too, that sucks i dont want to tickle people at 60k with HML when i can mess them up far better with some artys.

dont give me the balance bull, HMLs are not the great destroyer, blobs of drakes use HMLs well BECAUSE ITS A BLOB DURR anything is good when you have 200 of them.

sigh

RIP HML tengu


Nerfing the drake as well.

It doesn't really matter though... I would much rather shoot exotic dancers at people.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-10-19 11:25:25 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
anything is good when you have 200 of them.



Ever seen blobs of 200 Brutixes?

Blobs of 200 Deimos - Moas - Eagles etc?

brb
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-10-19 11:27:25 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
anything is good when you have 200 of them.



Ever seen blobs of 200 Brutixes?

Blobs of 200 Deimos - Moas - Eagles etc?


its the issue of being easy to skill for that makes them so damned popular.

FC do math and work with their player base skill level, if HML took as long to skill up for as some artys or rails i doubt we would have this issue.

and thats a shame because the caldaris missile range doctrine is pretty much all they have.

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WrATH2Zero
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-10-19 11:33:54 UTC
Get a Gila then but you'll need good Drone skills to make it work with T2 drones. A Gila can do L4 missions, fast with afterburner and small signature radius. Tengu = Uber skills required, no if's or buts.

Personally I've made my Caldary Navy Raven work better with some L4 skills and deadspace/faction stuff but like said, it's about skills and even a CNR would be poor without T2 drones, shield skills and high missile DPS. Personally I wouldn't touch a Tengu, I don't have the skills set so sell it and get a Battleship, Gilla or Ishtar.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#116 - 2012-10-19 11:53:23 UTC
OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#117 - 2012-10-19 11:53:49 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors.



Ohhhh someones getting it

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-10-19 13:26:41 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors.



Ohhhh someones getting it


I think I lost ONE friend because of this post lol

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#119 - 2012-10-19 13:27:29 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
the answer is 4


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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#120 - 2012-10-19 13:34:48 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
OP is much smarter than this, and I'm convinced shes a super troll at this point. ;) Due to various factors.



Ohhhh someones getting it


I think I lost ONE friend because of this post lol



Not bad 6 pages :P

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