EVE General Discussion

Well that is your choice, you chose to pve in that fit. Its perfectly possible to npc in pvp fits, its just not of optimal efficiency and people like you are greddy.

I personally have always belt ratted in pvp ships, i have never lost a ship doing so and have killed several people who attacked me thinking my deimos or nighthawk would have no scram and be full of resist holes. And i am pretty terrible at this game. The vast majority of pve fits are overtanked for rat damage anyway and could omni tank with no problems.

i see 1 problem here: why you "only undock in 0.0 to PvP" when you can't live there? What is the reason to be there anyway?

I can guess you are having fun on 0.0 PvP. So you having fun in 0.0 and grinding in HS. And because of this you want people who don't enjoy 0.0 to suffer because you do?

I've no idea why people keep saying "do you want people who don't enjoy 0.0 to suffer because you do" or the like, when sensible suggestions aren't about "making hisec suffer". I mean sure, we could argue that hisec manufacturing slots could be reduced in number etc, but personally I'd rather see null get buffed (since null manufacturing, offices, research etc is absolute **** right now, especially in compariso to what hisec has in this regard; to wit, one system very very close to jita has more manufacturing capacity than all of deklein has, and deklein is a fairly well-developed nullsec region) to encourage people to start doing manufacturing in nullsec rather than manufacture in hisec and export into nullsec, in this regard I'd also want to see about manufacturing costs being raised slightly and sales taxes be increased slightly in hisec.

Manufacturing costs are especially hilarious, I can manufacture a maelstrom for literally 2-3k isk over mineral value. Add 1-1.5% for sales taxes and you're still looking at hilariously miniscule costs to make a BS over mineral value.

Who is saying that i am suffering, I am having fun in 0.0 and even while being in fleets can make ISK in high sec without having to pay too much attention. I would not say that i am suffering from the situation, no actually i am profiting from the whole situation, but just because i do, it does not mean that this is the way it should be.

If i live in 0.0 and while attending to OPS several hours / day i can make enough ISK in high sec to fund my PvP + plex 5 accounts and still have lots of money left there surely is something wrong. Not all of the PvP is fun, in fact most of it is more like work that just has to be done and if we do all that work we should get rewarded for it accordingly, but that is just not the case.

As i also said in another post (not sure if it was in this thread). I do not see buffing 0.0 income as a solution, because it already is way to easy to make billions of ISK already anyway, no matter if it is 0.0 or high sec. Buffing 0.0 income to attract people to get out there just makes losing ships even more meaningless than it already is.

What most people who have not been around for such a long time do not see is how much eve has changed when it comes to the value of your toys. Back in the days when Battleships were the ultimate ship to fly, it took weeks if not months to actually make enough ISK to be able to afford one, If you lost such a toy it really did hurt your pocket and it made PvP a lot more thrilling, because you knew that recovering from such a loss would take a long time. Today we fly faction Battleships, Tengus, Lokis, Dreads and Carriers and just get a new one if we lose it, it means nothing really to lose a ship.

And do not tell me its just because i have been here for years. Around 3 month ago I started a new char just for fun and did not transfer any money over to him. I started doing something i never really did before, i was doing exploration (in high sec). After 3 weeks (again with a brand new char, and still playing on the other chars as well, so not that much time was dedicated to it) that chars wallet was at 250 million ISK. Granted i know the game mechanics and might not have to face the trial and error part of new players, but still it is way to easy to make more money than you can spend in high sec, even with a char that barely has any skills.

Yes EvE has changed, sadly not to a better game despite all the new features that were added over the years. The only reason many of us old players are still here is that the other MMOs out there are even worse and because we stick to our EvE friends and want to stay in touch with them.

But mark my words. If there ever is a game released that is as thrilling and unforgiving as the old EvE was many of the hardcore players are going to leave EvE if ccp keeps going down the route they are taking and when those players leave the economy will crash, you wont have any supply for plexes, you wont have many people left to buy the stuff you build or loot.

Why are you doing things that aren't fun, and why should you be rewarded for it?

Sorry for posting the same idea in two separate places. Guess I kind of had it a bit stuck in my head.

The part about actually losing stuff making EVE special is a pretty valid point.

I do have an inability to team up with other player and earn my place out there in part because I don't have the time to invest in EVE to do so. That or I need to make better friends, but I generally struggle to convince people to come out and risk their ships with me against what is perceived as much greater odds when I am only active one or two evenings a week. I'll admit though I haven't put in the hard work to form such contacts.

I wasn't really trying to sell the idea as a perfect solution, more of a 'what if' kind of thought to get some discussion going about some sort of entry level low sec. You are 100% right about exploiting alpha, but I kind of see stuff like that as being ok, because it does mean the ship is still at risk, just not from 1 guy who outguns you and gets a point on you.

And yeah, it would wreck highways between trade hubs. The specific of the idea I presented are terrible, but I'd love to consider other ideas.



Yerp, I love games like that. Currently league of legends is the main game I play. I absolutely love it. If there was a game even remotely like EVE that offered 'meaningless PvP without any consequences' I would have to admit I'd probably get in on it. Especially if that meaningless PvP slowly progressed into more and more 'meaningful' PvP.

The only "problem" with high sec space is the pu$$ies who can't handle people that shoot back (ie, non-high sec space) whining that it's not easier to kill unarmed ships.

There is NO other problem.

Never had the taste for it myself but I've certainly seen it done -- just not on the thoroughfare systems, and only by the patient.

The problem with high-sec currently is a multifaceted issue, stemming from a collection of issues which have cropped over a long period of time. To fix it would require a reworking of a whole bunch of things that would, oddly enough, actually knock out alot of other issues in the game as well.

1. PvE: PvE in eve is bad, really bad, so boring its practically suicidal bad. So how do we fix that? Make it more into PvP. Instead make it so there are fewer but alot tougher and meaner rats, npcs, etc increasing bounties accordingly. Essentially turn all npcs into at-least player grade ships, meaning they exhibit such similar behavior to players, using actual tactics and even attempting to warp off and escape.

2. Low-sec: The problem here is that people are way to afraid to go there and there simply isn't much to do there independently. Even if you add incentives to go the ships people have to go with in order to acceptably make money are woefully ill equipped to meet the task of PvP. But, by turning PvE into more of a PvP skill level activity, you force missioners and whatnot to change their fits accordingly, giving them a much better chance of holding their own.

3. Null: Null-sec needs to have better rewards for the space, particularly in the crappier parts of space. Thus more people will be there, and with the other changes more targets will openly present themselves for combat.

More to come later but I'm a tad short on time for now. :P

meaning you either didn't read it or did and while you didn't agree you had no explanation why. Children do that when you tell them to go to bed because there is school tomorrow.