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DON'T FLY A TENGU.. unless you are .......

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Generals4
#81 - 2012-10-18 12:50:24 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...


Thx for proving my point :D
May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll????


You don't need all the skills at V however you better have Hvy missiles or HAM's at V , spec skill at III-IV. Subsystem skills at IV and V for the offensive one. Missile support skills should be at least at IV and let's not forget your capacitor & shield skills are pretty important too. The thing is, the Tengu is a pretty expensive ship and you don't wanna spend so much money on a ship you'll only be able to use at 50% of its capacity.

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-10-18 15:04:05 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...


Thx for proving my point :D
May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll????


You don't need all the skills at V however you better have Hvy missiles or HAM's at V , spec skill at III-IV. Subsystem skills at IV and V for the offensive one. Missile support skills should be at least at IV and let's not forget your capacitor & shield skills are pretty important too. The thing is, the Tengu is a pretty expensive ship and you don't wanna spend so much money on a ship you'll only be able to use at 50% of its capacity.


capacitor??
why do I need more cap??
Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost

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Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-10-18 15:20:40 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:

capacitor??
why do I need more cap??
Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost


Sig tanking a Tengu is one of the reasons people fly it.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#84 - 2012-10-18 18:58:56 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
If your going to fly a tech 3, there really isn't any excuse not to raise all the sub system skills to 5. They are all training multiplier 1 and super fast to max out.

Hell I trained every sub system of EVERY RACE to 5 in less time than it took to train just a few of the higher training multiplier skills.

Ivy Romanova wrote:
capacitor??
why do I need more cap??
Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost


You don't see it as often now, and even when you did it was rare due to the difficulty of flying it, but for awhile people were fitting the AB sub on them and mounting oversized (BS) 100mn afterburners.

Gave nearly mwd speed that couldn't be shut down the way an MWD could. Only problem was it turned like a truck and as mentioned above, was quite difficult to fly. Then they would just kite from over 100km with heavy launchers.

Garmon started the trend.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#85 - 2012-10-18 20:09:36 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Alright, although I'm not fond of your fit (and really not that fond of the Tengu either), I went ahead and did a side by side comparison of your EFT numbers and mine using your exact fit.

And as you can see, the difference in primary and support skills between you and I make a HUGE difference. My implants reflected there are all standard + to attributes that I wear to accelerate skill training, so the numbers would be a bit higher if I was in my missile implant clone.

I realized I forgot to fit rigs to mine after the fact.

Side by side EFT Numbers
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#86 - 2012-10-18 20:20:20 UTC
If you lack the skills to fly a tengu.. you shouldn't fly it. Stick to drakes. When all skills related to flying a ship properly trained to lvl4 or better then fly a Tech 3 ship.

Fault is your own for being a noob. Ask before you invest into something pricy. Find out the fit that is proper too can help.

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Doomheim
#87 - 2012-10-18 23:22:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
or the uber gank prot with 1400dps and +400K EHP.

Did you ever bother trying to achieve these numbers in EFT? Just... wow.



Sry if you can't find out how to. Now if you ask me if this might actually have any use, I'd say probably. Do I fit it alike and use all the necessary stuff to bring it at those numbers?-no

But is it possible? -yes it is.

brb
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#88 - 2012-10-18 23:46:54 UTC
You didn't hear?
They are nerfing Tengu.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-10-19 00:07:35 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Don't fly any ship unless you are appropriately skilled to fly it.


And conversely prepared to lose the ship.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#90 - 2012-10-19 00:22:42 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Don't fly any ship unless you are appropriately skilled to fly it.


And conversely prepared to lose the ship.


^ ^
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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#91 - 2012-10-19 00:26:57 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16


All subsystems V. Perhaps you could skimp on the propulsion one and leave it to IV.
Hull you can train to IV.
Goes without saying you should be using at least T2 fittings on it excluding the rigs.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#92 - 2012-10-19 00:37:08 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
Alright, although I'm not fond of your fit (and really not that fond of the Tengu either), I went ahead and did a side by side comparison of your EFT numbers and mine using your exact fit.

And as you can see, the difference in primary and support skills between you and I make a HUGE difference. My implants reflected there are all standard + to attributes that I wear to accelerate skill training, so the numbers would be a bit higher if I was in my missile implant clone.

I realized I forgot to fit rigs to mine after the fact.

Side by side EFT Numbers



Seeing this makes me feel a whole hell of a lot better about my fit. Finally bothered to get EFT http://imgur.com/28Ddw

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#93 - 2012-10-19 06:46:10 UTC
I use my Tengu for sneaky flying around 0.0, mwa ha ha ha! Love laughing at gate camps with warp bubbles up. Lol
WakeTurbulence
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-10-19 07:36:27 UTC
yeah d00d...

your fit sucks. swap those meta4 for T2 HMLs. I can get over 800 DPS out of my 10gu with HMLs and implants. With that said, when shooting next to my buddies Mach which on paper does more DPS my 10gu kills mission BS faster.

Tengus also utilize speed tanking so the 34k EHP you see is actually more when you factor in AB speed. As long as you manage mission agro, keep moving and avoid getting webbed, there isn't a L4 mission you cant do with only 2 T2 invuls and a pith-c med sbooster.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2012-10-19 08:01:39 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply.

But you had me going there for a minute.

Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P

Yep, most of my tengu fits use T2 MBLA + 2 flares or bay thrusters for HAM, the only alternative is 2 rigors + flare or 3 field extenders for thundercats. There's no excuse no to imo. Tengus really don't need CCCs (aside from 100mn ones), they're a damn waste of rig slots/calibrations since we can fit a reasonable or even an absurd level of tank without resorting to large even med boosters.

My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Sry if you can't find out how to. Now if you ask me if this might actually have any use, I'd say probably. Do I fit it alike and use all the necessary stuff to bring it at those numbers?-no

But is it possible? -yes it is.

Did I say it was impossible? No. But for the vast majority of T3 pilots, including those who use them in PVP, it's rather unrealistic. Officer fit with full slave set, max damage implants (including Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink), T2 trimarks, full Legion boosts, and overheat were necessary to get it to 1396 DPS and 438k EHP.

If you're going to put out numbers, make sure you didn't have to create a completely ridiculous fit to get there.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-10-19 08:25:00 UTC
Ioci wrote:
You didn't hear?
They are nerfing Tengu.

2005 Caldari
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2010 Ca*d*ri
2012 C****ri

Not really no. HAM tengus are going to be really awesome after the missile changes (esp. if they decided to go through with the TC/TE change). HML tengus will still be the best overall PvE T3 out of 4 of them; in a sense that the nerf doesn't really change anything much in comparison to current and after nerf performance compared to the other T3s.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
My HAM fit currently uses a T2 bay thrusters and T2 rocket fuel cache partition. I like having extra range..

Yeah I can see how some people like to push the range further. I was hoping CCP go through with the TC changes Sad

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#97 - 2012-10-19 08:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Good lord, how is this thread still going;

@OP;

Your skills are bad, your fit is bad, and you should feel bad.

Tengus (as they currently stand) are generally 100MN HML fit for PVP, and HML Rigor/Flare Rigged for PVE, your fit is bad and you should feel bad, as I say.


Also, did somebody above me say 100MN Tengus need CCCs....

What?
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-10-19 09:53:19 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Good lord, how is this thread still going;

@OP;

Your skills are bad, your fit is bad, and you should feel bad.

Tengus (as they currently stand) are generally 100MN HML fit for PVP, and HML Rigor/Flare Rigged for PVE, your fit is bad and you should feel bad, as I say.


Also, did somebody above me say 100MN Tengus need CCCs....

What?


But HML is getting nerfed soon. What?
I don't want to waste time and effort towards a missile I probably won't use again in a longggg time.
And 100MN????
How in the hell are you going to fit that?

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Cynosural Field Theory.
#99 - 2012-10-19 09:55:30 UTC
Lol.... this is awesome, I think I'm the only one who's clicked...

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Excidium.
#100 - 2012-10-19 10:16:33 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16


Crikey I have a Navy Omen that could stomp that Tengu.

That's some absurdly low EHP and DPS for PvP in a ship that expensive.


I love how everyone ignores the fact that char can't fly tengu, it is getting no sub bonuses, hence the terrible dps etc. So yes your nomen could stomp that tengu, but only if the player magically got in it without having skills.