EVE General Discussion

It's both a capacity and a safety problem plus an efficiency/incentive problem. Lower EHP and probably efficiency rate of large-sized POSs in highsec (if not make them unanchorable entirely) and more importantly doggedly go at every form of wardec evasion in the pursuit of POS preserval so that there is an actual consequence for keeping your manufacturing base 50 jumps away from your allies when the local highsec pirate gang runs up. The end goal would be for nullsec to have the capacity to power its own war machines internally, and highsec would be adjusted to be comfortably replenish its own losses (if you listen to bane necran this means nothing would change ;)). There's other issues like low-end mins and ice also not having sufficient incentive in 0.0, but that's not directly related to manufacturing.

On the contrary, Goons are likely the most heavily invested in industrial infrastructure of any alliance in the game. They just don't do it in nullsec because to do so would simply be inefficient and insufficient for their needs. The best practice for nullsec alliances, as proven by the most logistically advanced and successful ones, is to merely manufacture all needed goods in highsec, then ship the completed product to their 0.0 deployment base. For a good contrast, you can compare their outsourced logistical strength to an alliance that has invested vast amounts into nullsec infrastructure - CVA. This phenomenon of outsourcing creates all sorts of problems, like erecting barries that keep PvE players from participating in 0.0, and lowering the risk and stakes for large power blocs by rendering their supply lines less and less vulnerable with every CONCORD buff.


We have people here going on about how nullsec industry is fine because paying 23 bil for a profoundly inferior version of what highseccers get for free in every system is balanced in their mind.

I don't know why CCP just doesn't do a couple changes in a hot fix now. Why not just double or even quadruple manufacturing, invention and copying slots in player owned stations today? And double or quadruple the fees for npc slots?

Sure still do a total revamp of industry, but these changes can be done now, today.

People complain about hi sec simply because null is broken.

Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence.

So there should be downsides to it to give people a reason to choose the mattress (because right now, the convenience factor simply isn't there).

Not without hacking the server, no. The lack of station slots is indeed a 0.0 problem because that's the only place where the problem exists. In highsec, there might be the occasional dearth of research slots unless you move away from the hubs, but that's about it. As such you can fill in the need with POSes if the need arises. The difference is that in null, you must do it, if you want to do anything on any scale. So it's more work; it's enforced work; and it's enforced work that is rendered pointless and stupid because you get more safety and convenience by doing it in highsec instead.

It's only that way because hardly anyone in 0.0 mines.

Oh, that's right. You guys won't mine in null for some reason...........

It's that way because mining in 0.0 is a good way of wasting time and money.

You have to think about it from their point of view. Why mine when you can make vastly more money doing something else like run a sanctum and send a jump freighter to Jita to grab the minerals you need in far less time and still have money left over to stuff down the g-string of the local Gallente stripper. Meanwhile the poor miner is still trying to get a fraction of the miners needed for the project.

Which option sounds more fun to you?

okay buddy let's just go right ahead and mine up

3,576,344,538 Tritanium
876,847,997 Pyerite
300,726,828 Mexallon
53,445,221 Isogen
15,574,872 Nocxium
2,693,963 Zydrine
1,369,670 Megacyte

to build a grand total of

one erebus