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What is the real problem people have with High Sec?
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#181 - 2012-10-18 20:09:28 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Is sustained 240m isk an hour, per account ratting in null sec, actually the correct figure, or is this just made-up numbers?


It's a made-up figure. Most you can get sustained is ~120-150M/hour by blitzing anomalies in a Vindicator.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#182 - 2012-10-18 20:12:56 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
They moan about the ease of manufacturing and researching in empire... when they've got enough moons and wealth to setup their own stations and equalize the playing field in terms of cheap capacity.

lmfao

hey Asuka please send 24 billion isk so i can set up one station that has less functionality then one of the literally thousands of free stations in highsec?
i promise you rich rewards in scandium for your efforts


Damn vagrants.

Go grind some.

Why should I when I can access a station with higher efficiency and more slots for free in highsec?
Most players in New Eden have asked themselves that and decide to just do it in highsec.

I've been thinking about this topic - it comes up a lot.

Why aren't you using POS arrays? I do all of my manufacture - even in highsec - at a POS.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2012-10-18 20:13:45 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE..

Wrong


Nope.
Wrong:

Ship losses by security status


So they finally released figures on that.

The vastly higher number of ships being lost in hisec may not be entirely PvP related, but it still goes to show hisec is already plenty risky

No.

The vast majority of PvE losses (which are the giant majority of highsec losses, not PVP like you laughably claimed), were frigate-sized vessels. Is the threat of frigate loss what you consider risky?
Jim Era
#184 - 2012-10-18 20:17:29 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

No.

The vast majority of PvE losses (which are the giant majority of highsec losses, not PVP like you laughably claimed), were frigate-sized vessels. Is the threat of frigate loss what you consider risky?


Well, the rule of EVE~don't fly what you can't afford to lose...maybe it IS risky for someone to lose a frigate. Maybe also because several larger ship types are restricted from being brought there.

Wat™
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2012-10-18 20:18:28 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
They moan about the ease of manufacturing and researching in empire... when they've got enough moons and wealth to setup their own stations and equalize the playing field in terms of cheap capacity.

lmfao

hey Asuka please send 24 billion isk so i can set up one station that has less functionality then one of the literally thousands of free stations in highsec?
i promise you rich rewards in scandium for your efforts


Damn vagrants.

Go grind some.

Why should I when I can access a station with higher efficiency and more slots for free in highsec?
Most players in New Eden have asked themselves that and decide to just do it in highsec.

I've been thinking about this topic - it comes up a lot.

Why aren't you using POS arrays? I do all of my manufacture - even in highsec - at a POS.

People do use POS arrays, in highsec, using alts. Safer keeping your blueprints under CONCORD's protection then somewhere where they could be torn down, right?

If you watched the Fanfest 2012 presentation on industry, you'll notice that regions held by Stain Empire, a 455-man alliance, had more in-house industrial activity then most of the CFC.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2012-10-18 20:20:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Apples and Bananas
Nope. Shooting rats = shooting rats.

I actually made more consistent bounty ticks in null running anoms than in high running missions though I can agree it was probably too close when I could get a streak of good highsec bounty ticks. That said it was a few nerfs/buffs/changes ago though that I last ran nullsec anoms.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2012-10-18 20:21:17 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

No.

The vast majority of PvE losses (which are the giant majority of highsec losses, not PVP like you laughably claimed), were frigate-sized vessels. Is the threat of frigate loss what you consider risky?


Well, the rule of EVE~don't fly what you can't afford to lose...maybe it IS risky for someone to lose a frigate. Maybe also because several larger ship types are restricted from being brought there.

frigate level risk should come with frigate level reward then
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#188 - 2012-10-18 20:24:29 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

I've been thinking about this topic - it comes up a lot.

Why aren't you using POS arrays? I do all of my manufacture - even in highsec - at a POS.

People do use POS arrays, in highsec, using alts. Safer keeping your blueprints under CONCORD's protection then somewhere where they could be torn down, right?

Yeah, I got that. That's not a 0.0 problem though, that's common sense.

And as for manufacturing - it's done from BPC's.

I'm refuting lack of station slots for anything as a 0.0 "problem".

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#189 - 2012-10-18 20:24:33 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

No.

The vast majority of PvE losses (which are the giant majority of highsec losses, not PVP like you laughably claimed), were frigate-sized vessels. Is the threat of frigate loss what you consider risky?


Well, the rule of EVE~don't fly what you can't afford to lose...maybe it IS risky for someone to lose a frigate. Maybe also because several larger ship types are restricted from being brought there.

frigate level risk should come with frigate level reward then


Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#190 - 2012-10-18 20:24:37 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People do use POS arrays, in highsec, using alts. Safer keeping your blueprints under CONCORD's protection then somewhere where they could be torn down, right?

If you watched the Fanfest 2012 presentation on industry, you'll notice that regions held by Stain Empire, a 455-man alliance, had more in-house industrial activity then most of the CFC.


"they build titans in nullsec, surely nullsec industry is fine right?"

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-10-18 20:25:11 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....


they don't

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jim Era
#192 - 2012-10-18 20:25:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....


they don't

Then why so much whine about hi-seccer's frigates not being blown up enough?

Wat™
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-10-18 20:27:13 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

People do use POS arrays, in highsec, using alts. Safer keeping your blueprints under CONCORD's protection then somewhere where they could be torn down, right?

That would suggest the issue isn't a capacity one but a safety one. How would you propose resolving that?
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

If you watched the Fanfest 2012 presentation on industry, you'll notice that regions held by Stain Empire, a 455-man alliance, had more in-house industrial activity then most of the CFC.

This actually confuses me a bit as it makes it sound like the issue is some entities not wanting to invest in industrial infrastructure. Could you please elaborate as to what you were trying to point out?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#194 - 2012-10-18 20:27:52 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

I've been thinking about this topic - it comes up a lot.

Why aren't you using POS arrays? I do all of my manufacture - even in highsec - at a POS.

People do use POS arrays, in highsec, using alts. Safer keeping your blueprints under CONCORD's protection then somewhere where they could be torn down, right?

Yeah, I got that. That's not a 0.0 problem though, that's common sense.

lack of incentive to use 0.0 space is most definitely a problem
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#195 - 2012-10-18 20:30:25 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Yeah, I got that. That's not a 0.0 problem though, that's common sense.
The fact that it's common sense is the problem.

Quote:
I'm refuting lack of station slots for anything as a 0.0 "problem".
Maybe you should look up the number of stations per system and slots per station in highsec, and compare that to the outposts per system and slots per outpost in null…
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#196 - 2012-10-18 20:30:29 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....


they don't


Ahuh

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#197 - 2012-10-18 20:31:21 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....


they don't


But they should. P
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#198 - 2012-10-18 20:39:10 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Andski wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....


they don't


Ahuh


The Naglfar and Nidhoggur in those killmails were abandoned, hope this helps

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#199 - 2012-10-18 20:41:47 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:


Why aren't you using POS arrays? I do all of my manufacture - even in highsec - at a POS.



Same here. Apparently, those who only do pew pew are too poor to afford such a thing.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#200 - 2012-10-18 20:42:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Andski wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....


they don't


Ahuh


The Naglfar and Nidhoggur in those killmails were abandoned, hope this helps


Damage is damage, doesn't matter if its abandoned or occupied as there will be a killmail either way. Hope this helps.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!