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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#161 - 2012-10-18 18:03:24 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Jim Hazard wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Or you'd end up with people communicating with eachother to organise themselves into gank-proof mission fleets. Perhaps you're right though. Communication and co-operation is outside the realm of many people's comfort zones and we know how people hate being forced out of their comfort zone.


Most likely people who do not want to live high sec are exactly the people like F`elch who play a multiplayer game solo. Those people seem not to value the difference between a multiplayer game and a single player game. Why play a game like eve when you do not interact with other people. If you just live in this universe and do not care about other players around you and do not want to socialize with them its no different from being surrounded only by NPCs. And no matter how many arguments you will come up with, they will never admit that their view on EvE (a multi player game) is plain wrong.




What's wrong with playing a multiplayer game solo?

..............

Must be election season in the USA because everybody wants to mind everybody elses business.





It doesn't seem like you like to play multiplayer games really. Perhaps a real solo game, would go better with your solo play style.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#162 - 2012-10-18 18:08:07 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Despite the endless stream of tears from high sec carebears, all most null sec players want to rebalance high and null is a x0.8 to be applied to all high sec bounties, and a x1.2 multiplier to be applied to all null sec bounties, to fix the relative risk/reward ratio between the two. I have no problem with people wanting to semi-afk run missions or whatever for isk, they just shouldnt receive similar rewards to people who have to deal with cloaky campingfags 23/7.

And yes those numbers were pulled out of my ass, but you get the general idea.


No.

The null sec isk faucet needs a nerf.

Cloaky AFK = no risk

Have you ever lived in null? even a few days, maybe? no?


LOL, ship poasting to parry the argument I see - try another tired old meme.Roll

Nope, not lived in null, still learning the game in hi / low sec in which I see none blues in local all the time without making a mess in my pants or sending out Jabber pings - can you say the same? P

Oh, maybe you missed the CSM minutes earlier this year in which the following was stated:

CCP Soundwave: “I can, with virtual certainty, say that this December we’re going do something about cap and supercap presence in anomalies. That is the biggest faucet we have right now.”

~deal with it~

Yes I know what Soundwave said and I fully agree with him, your point?


My point is that my original points still stand, despite your efforts to negate my opinion with your e-peen waving ... now shall we get back to discussing the topic?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#163 - 2012-10-18 18:27:31 UTC
Simetraz wrote:



SO why even care if a person decides they want to kill NPC's all day.
They are 40 jumps away and the odds of you even seeing them in the same system are slim to none.
Who cares what he or she does.
THe whole I hate carebears I hate Pvp'r is a complete laugh.
Get a life, go play the game and stop worrying about the scary carebears and pay more attention to the red on your six.


I kill npcs all day lol. I don't care what someone else does.

BUT, I know i'm in a multiplayer game, and some people will try to attack me if they can. I accept this as part of the game and don't complain about it. Many in high sec do complain about it.

This is the point, claiming people are jealous or what not is stupid. Some of us do care about the health of the game, and some like me don't like risk-averse people.

We're not telling anyone to stop or to do anything else. We're simply pointing a finger at them and laughing our asses off at how weak they are because they play a pvp-centric game and whine when people try to pvp them.. There is a difference
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#164 - 2012-10-18 18:38:35 UTC
rodyas wrote:

It doesn't seem like you like to play multiplayer games really. Perhaps a real solo game, would go better with your solo play style.



It's a SANDBOX.

The is plenty of stuff to occupy the solo player. Even being a Market Queen doesn't qualify as utterly solo. They depend on 'others' to buy from them on the Market.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2012-10-18 19:24:33 UTC
rodyas wrote:

It doesn't seem like you like to play multiplayer games really. Perhaps a real solo game, would go better with your solo play style.


You're also failing to consider other aspects of EVE beyond the pew pew, things like the meta game, psychological warfare.

Simply denying you the pew pew against those soft juicy PVE targets that are just out of reach to the point you come to the forums and shed tears.

They be winning.

...

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#166 - 2012-10-18 19:54:16 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
No.

The null sec isk faucet needs a nerf.

Cloaky AFK = no risk


Kinis Deren wrote:
Nope, not lived in null, still learning the game in hi / low sec


lmao

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#167 - 2012-10-18 20:00:12 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
I saw a Bear once, it was stealing a picnic basket ^_^

This approach has served me well in dealing with bears in EVE over the years.


Are you the bear in that video ?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#168 - 2012-10-18 20:58:19 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Jim Hazard wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Or you'd end up with people communicating with eachother to organise themselves into gank-proof mission fleets. Perhaps you're right though. Communication and co-operation is outside the realm of many people's comfort zones and we know how people hate being forced out of their comfort zone.


Most likely people who do not want to live high sec are exactly the people like F`elch who play a multiplayer game solo. Those people seem not to value the difference between a multiplayer game and a single player game. Why play a game like eve when you do not interact with other people. If you just live in this universe and do not care about other players around you and do not want to socialize with them its no different from being surrounded only by NPCs. And no matter how many arguments you will come up with, they will never admit that their view on EvE (a multi player game) is plain wrong.




What's wrong with playing a multiplayer game solo?

..............

Must be election season in the USA because everybody wants to mind everybody elses business.





It doesn't seem like you like to play multiplayer games really. Perhaps a real solo game, would go better with your solo play style.



But I take great pleasure in basing out of highsec, trespassing past the gank pipelines and bubble camps, and coming back with phat loot, all the while the nullbears and lowsec ganksters come to the forums crying from lack of targets.

I would not get that in a single player game. Twisted

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#169 - 2012-10-18 22:59:32 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:



Must be election season in the USA because everybody wants to mind everybody elses business.




Romney=Nullsec player

Obama=Highsec player

Ralph Nader=Wormhole player

Hillary Clinton=Lowsec player
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#170 - 2012-10-18 23:33:18 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
You don't pvp. Sometimes, you spare enough from your wallet to fit a frigate and see what all the fuss is about, but you don't pvp. You run missions and farm plexes in your stabbed Incursus, but you don't pvp.


When he's missioning, running plexes or whatever he's competing against another player doing it also, so despite your misconception of PVP, he does pvp.
He just does it differently from you and your comments like this one clearly show you have absolutely no idea what's pvp other than shoot stuff.
Your inability to understand and accept this form of pvp is just staggering.

Quote:
You're not fooling anyone.


Indeed...

brb
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#171 - 2012-10-19 00:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Claiming that missions are pvp is just an excuse bears use to skip a few steps on the hardman ladder. Does doing missions result in microinteraction? Sure it does. The bear's presence affects the market, no matter how slightly. It is indirect competition for wealth, but one with practically no risk attached. The worst thing that can happen is that the bear will make a bit less money if market conditions are unfavorable for ISK, LP, or loot/mineral gains. I know, I know, the bear can lose ships during missions, but that's more or less irrelevant because of how static the content is. As long as you have the recommended setup, losing a ship would imply that the bear is asleep, and that doesn't equate to risk. The kind of pvp that we're talking about when we mention the term stems from risk of loss, not lack of gain.

Running missions is no more pvp than looting the wreck of a dead bear who just scooped and salvaged the wrecks of the NPCs he killed is pve.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#172 - 2012-10-19 00:41:38 UTC
Oh look, it's this thread again
Takashi X2
State War Academy
Caldari State
#173 - 2012-10-19 00:51:29 UTC
F'elch wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
[quote=F'elch]Why all the hate for high sec? You know how I use high sec? I run missions there and I sell my stuff there so I can spend the ISK on ships and then go PVP with them in low sec and sometimes in null if I feel like I definitely want to lose my ship instead of just maybe. Then, when I run out of ISK I go back to high sec to get some more dosh.


I agree with everyone that FW is broken. Too much ISK coming from this. But low sec needs better income for the risk involved if people are going to go there to grind.


Not my place to say it really but FW generates no isk although it can be argued that it helps increase inflation. It just puts isk through the spinner faster.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#174 - 2012-10-19 00:57:18 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Romney=Nullsec player

Obama=Highsec player

Ralph Nader Jill Stein=Wormhole player

Hillary Clinton Gary Johnson=Lowsec player

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
BobFromMarketing
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2012-10-19 01:33:38 UTC
F'elch wrote:
Why all the hate for high sec? You know how I use high sec? I run missions there and I sell my stuff there so I can spend the ISK on ships and then go PVP with them in low sec and sometimes in null if I feel like I definitely want to lose my ship instead of just maybe. Then, when I run out of ISK I go back to high sec to get some more dosh.

Also at the moment I am farming FW for more money but we all know that little gravy train will soon reach its last stop.

If high sec got nerfed, it would be a lot harder for me to get the green I need to fund the PVP we love and that this game is really about. Making it take longer to earn that dolla will only mean I have to grind more for less, and lose ships less often. We need taergets right? And targets require ISK to buy ships so you can blow them up.

OK, I know there are those who just stay in high sec and horde their stuff and faction fit their mission tengus and what have you but no matter how much you nerf high sec the risk adverse will still remain there. No amount of stick will get them into low but maybe the right type of carrot.

Anyway, I'm a casual player. No time for null and the logistics of living there so ISK grinding there is not an option. And to be honest I CBA with CTA, killboard etc so it is not for me.

All I want to do is PVP and grind as little as possible to make that happen. High sec ISK sources are important to help me and others like me fund that lifestyle so please don't nerf them.


Do regale us with your many ventures into the world of Eve PvP. I spent 20 minutes trying to find a single killmail involving you in something other than a newbie frigate but was unable :(
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2012-10-19 02:07:32 UTC
nerfing highsec in any way hurts pvp more then helping it, if you remove lvl 4s from highsec for example, people won't risk it in low, they will run level 3s instead, no level 3s? then they will mine or run lvl 2s.

what OP does is what a lot of people do.

also if you want people to mission and mine and stuff in lowsec, you can blame the "pvpers" if you didn't try to kill every ship you saw then people would go there, then you could kill the big prizes

example, you live in low and notice a raven runs mission in your system, then salvages them... you have a few options ( though most "pvpers" always go for the kill)
you could try ganking him when he tries to haul loot out of lowsec, potentially killing a orca or freighter.
you could buy the stuff he is salvaging, he is helping the market in your little lowsec system.
you could wait until he gets a better missioning ship, maybe gank him if he upgrades to a CNR?
or what most pvpers do,zomgsomethingtokill.

if you want lowsec to be target rich, stop killing people unless its worth it. bounty hunting probably won't help with it but maybe it will. there could always be the epic, low sec status = no docking in low/highsec, that would be fun.
BobFromMarketing
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2012-10-19 03:36:23 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
nerfing highsec in any way hurts pvp more then helping it, if you remove lvl 4s from highsec for example, people won't risk it in low, they will run level 3s instead, no level 3s? then they will mine or run lvl 2s.

what OP does is what a lot of people do.

also if you want people to mission and mine and stuff in lowsec, you can blame the "pvpers" if you didn't try to kill every ship you saw then people would go there, then you could kill the big prizes

example, you live in low and notice a raven runs mission in your system, then salvages them... you have a few options ( though most "pvpers" always go for the kill)
you could try ganking him when he tries to haul loot out of lowsec, potentially killing a orca or freighter.
you could buy the stuff he is salvaging, he is helping the market in your little lowsec system.
you could wait until he gets a better missioning ship, maybe gank him if he upgrades to a CNR?
or what most pvpers do,zomgsomethingtokill.

if you want lowsec to be target rich, stop killing people unless its worth it. bounty hunting probably won't help with it but maybe it will. there could always be the epic, low sec status = no docking in low/highsec, that would be fun.


Kind of a weak troll friend.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#178 - 2012-10-19 04:47:44 UTC
F'elch wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Or you'd end up with people communicating with eachother to organise themselves into gank-proof mission fleets. Perhaps you're right though. Communication and co-operation is outside the realm of many people's comfort zones and we know how people hate being forced out of their comfort zone.

I can understand this sentiment.

I can't be arsed to team up with others. I can't be arsed to talk to the other players while in-game (with very few exceptions). I also don't take this game seriously enough to invest any real time and effort into it.



Well just maybe you'd get a bit more involved with the game if you did have some genuine incentive to talk to other players and there was some neccessity to actually pay attention to what you're doing.

What you've just said neatly illustrates the entire problem people like me have with high-sec: it lures people into a lucrative, safe but boring lifestyle that eventually bores them out of the game.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#179 - 2012-10-19 08:03:23 UTC
BobFromMarketing wrote:
F'elch wrote:
Why all the hate for high sec? You know how I use high sec? I run missions there and I sell my stuff there so I can spend the ISK on ships and then go PVP with them in low sec and sometimes in null if I feel like I definitely want to lose my ship instead of just maybe. Then, when I run out of ISK I go back to high sec to get some more dosh.

Also at the moment I am farming FW for more money but we all know that little gravy train will soon reach its last stop.

If high sec got nerfed, it would be a lot harder for me to get the green I need to fund the PVP we love and that this game is really about. Making it take longer to earn that dolla will only mean I have to grind more for less, and lose ships less often. We need taergets right? And targets require ISK to buy ships so you can blow them up.

OK, I know there are those who just stay in high sec and horde their stuff and faction fit their mission tengus and what have you but no matter how much you nerf high sec the risk adverse will still remain there. No amount of stick will get them into low but maybe the right type of carrot.

Anyway, I'm a casual player. No time for null and the logistics of living there so ISK grinding there is not an option. And to be honest I CBA with CTA, killboard etc so it is not for me.

All I want to do is PVP and grind as little as possible to make that happen. High sec ISK sources are important to help me and others like me fund that lifestyle so please don't nerf them.


Do regale us with your many ventures into the world of Eve PvP. I spent 20 minutes trying to find a single killmail involving you in something other than a newbie frigate but was unable :(

You must have missed the post where I said this isn't my main character, just my trading alt. Good use of twenty minutes of your time there!

I can't really understand all the hate for people who use high sec to make ISK. It seems logical to me that you would do it in the least risky way possible so you can do it quickly and efficiently. And like I said, I do it so I can lose ships, normally facing overwhelming odds and tolerating pages of smack in local.

It's a shame that when you are flying an interceptor your opponent feels the need to call in HAC/Recon support. I guess that's how the hardcore PVPers roll.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#180 - 2012-10-19 08:11:14 UTC
In this thread I learned that highsec carebears are utter idiots who are playing the wrong game. Unfortunately, theres a lot of utter idiot carebears out there and ccp want more of them