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Why the PVP Tournament is a waste of money.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#121 - 2012-10-18 18:11:29 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Alfred Luke wrote:
How can you even compare these two games. I play both, Im a gold level SC2 player and I have never even thought of comparing the two games. Both present extrmely different challenges in PVP. Im very lost in this post, but you acn find me on SC2 for a mollywhopping. MEROVINGIAN.


It's being compared as an e-sport and in terms of skill demand.

Its amazing the number of derps who just focus on the part of the thread that makes them rage and ignore what the thread is actually about. Not saying you are doing entirely.

Can you honestly say that EVE is near as skill demanding as starcraft, where pro matches can last over an hour and the players are maintining 300 actions per minute on their keyboard? Have you ever made 3 command centers/hatcherys/nexuesus in your life?

Also, gold is pretty bad.

I was diamond with random last I played.


So.... skill equals how quickly you can click... I see. Smile

You should have stopped when some people didn't realize you were just trolling.

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Jim Era
#122 - 2012-10-18 18:14:46 UTC
So, eve pvp isn't close enough to wow pvp so it is invalid?

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#123 - 2012-10-18 18:18:12 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
So, eve pvp isn't close enough to wow pvp so it is invalid?


What's wow?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#124 - 2012-10-18 18:18:39 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Imawuss wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Imawuss wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
CCP says they want to grow EVE pvp into some kind of e-sport, but that will never happen for the following reasons:

1. EVE pvp is a joke amongst competitive pvpers. It is viewed as a game that requires very little skill and has an extremely low skill ceiling. In EVE, you don't beat your opponents because you were a more skilled player, you beat them because you were fortunate enough to choose correct modules and were in the right ship and knew how to operate it, which also isn't something terribly difficult. When compared to the skills of pro players in other competitive e-sport games like starcraft2, you can see a enormous margin of what is required of the player. There is no need for tactical use of terrain, nor a need for high coordination, aiming or high actions per minute, nor micromanage, very little strategy is involved, and the reactionary abilities of your opponents are extremely limited. These pvp mechanics do not attract skilled, competitive gamers, they are the things that make them shy away.


On another note E-sports (really a dumb name) are only watched by fans of the game being played.


Not true, especially in Korea. Face it, when you compare the skill requirements of EVE to other competitive games, even WoW arena can easily seem more skill demanding. I know some of you somehow think you are badass elites and oh-so-smart "pvpers" in this game, but to other gamers, you are just a joke.



If a WoW players says EVE PVP takes no skill i would just laugh and say "Oh You're so Cute!" its kinda like a ****** calling you a ****** its not offensive in the least. When an EVE player leaves EVE to play WoW the average IQ of both communities goes up.


I mean, watching your relative positon and velocity, target velocity (<-- thats direction of motion and speed fyi), transversal, cap usage, incoming and outgoing DPS, tracking, overheating, incoming reps, tank, range, specific module range, optimal for turrets, maintaining affective range. Now combine that with tactics and manuevers depending on the situation, then coordinating with friendly fleet, also all the other enemies... it goes on and on.


haha, ok, this is the first person to actually say the most skillful part about EVE, and I agree, this is the ONE AREA, that does take a bit of skill, flying in a certain direction and changing during combat. But i will re-iterate that if you know what to do, it is easy as ****. Blob vs Blob is even easier, you don't even have to think, just listen to your FC. Managing your spaceship movements with clicks in space is not something terribly difficult. There is a reason that EVE pvp is considered a joke amonst the pvp community. There has never been a thought of EVE becomming an e-sport untill now. Lets push that silly notion out of our minds now so that no resources are ever spent on it. The game would have to change so radically for that to happen, it would be an entirely different game. One that many of these EVE "pvper" probably couldn't handle. If you want full loot skill based game with the best clanwarfare around and no safety zones you play Darkfall.

His quote about WoW was pretty stuipd though. It would be very easy to argue how even WoW arena takes much more skill that EVE pvp. There is a lot more going on and you actually have to utilize terrain. Try harder, raging biased derps.



So now the most skill intensive aspect of EVE combat is... maintaining range?... changing directions?.... wow.

Yes, that is a small (yet important) part of EVE combat, but if that's as far as your combat knowledge goes in this game it certainly explains a lot.

I notice you completely ignore the few other points that he brought up, although that really is only the tip of the iceberg.

Do we really have to do a pop quiz to give you the opportunity to prove how little you understand concerning combat in EVE, or shall we just leave it a reiterating that you are nothing more than a tiresome troll who has yet to answer the simplest of questions.

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stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-10-18 18:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: stg slate
Nerf Burger wrote:
At a basic level, competitive Starcraft can be understood and is entertaining to watch, even for people who aren't very familar with the game.


HAhahahahahahaha

Competitive starcraft matches are as boring and uninteresting as esports come. No one wants to watch a game where success is measured by how many actions-per-minute some so-called 'athlete' neckbeard nolifer can make with his stubby fingers gripping his mouse.

APM = instant realm of the adderall addicts, the unemployeed, and student population. Actual people can compete in EVE tournies, and they are entertaining to watch.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#126 - 2012-10-18 18:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
stg slate wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
At a basic level, competitive Starcraft can be understood and is entertaining to watch, even for people who aren't very familar with the game.


HAhahahahahahaha

Competitive starcraft matches are as boring and uninteresting as esports come. No one wants to watch a game where success is measured by how many actions-per-minute some so-called 'athlete' neckbeard nolifer can make with his stubby fingers gripping his mouse.

APM = instant realm of the adderall addicts, the unemployeed, and student population. Actual people can compete in EVE tournies, and they are entertaining to watch.



the over one hundred thousand viewers for SC2 tournaments and up to 100,000$ cash prizes prove you wrong. Also, only a mentally challenged person would act like APM is all that there is to real-time strategy games. Next fail troll please. Just saying stupid stuff are the actions of the dumbest of all trolls. Truth hurt? Try harder angry kids.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2012-10-18 19:01:31 UTC
I'm just going to interrupt here and ask that people please desist from breaking certain forum rules.

You can disagree with someone without needing to resort to inferring that one or other person is of sub normal intellect. Please have some respect for other forum users, if not yourselves - ISD Type40.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#128 - 2012-10-18 19:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
My 0.02 ISK:
The Tourney is for hardcore PvP's which I'm not one of so as long as it doesn't affect me in my part of the sandbox let them have thier own fun Big smile Iguess itcould affect me though because of the PLEX issue, HMPH What? short term I wouldn't doubt it causes some inflation in the cost of PLEX but not that much I gather ( TBH it is hard to gather anything though: I could be wrong about howthis Tourney affects the PLEX trade: since when was the last QEN, economics blog, or CCP Diagoras tweet? the economy right now seems very unstable due to CCP's silence about it which worries me Straight )
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ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2012-10-18 19:34:57 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
My 0.02 ISK:
The Tourney is for hardcore PvP's which I'm not one of so as long as it doesn't affect me in my part of the sandbox let them have thier own fun Big smile Iguess itcould affect me though because of the PLEX issue, HMPH What? short term I wouldn't doubt it causes some inflation in the cost of PLEX but not that much I gather ( TBH it is hard to gather anything though: I could be wrong about howthis Tourney affects the PLEX trade: since when was the last QEN, economics blog, or CCP Diagoras tweet? the economy right now seems very unstable due to CCP's silence about it which worries me Straight )



I can't speak as to the likelihood of the next QEN report, but sadly there will be no more Tweets on the economy or otherwise from CCP Diagoras as he has moved onto other things and is no longer working for CCP.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#130 - 2012-10-18 19:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Nerf Burger wrote:
Just saying stupid stuff are the actions of the dumbest of all trolls.
Then stop saying stupid things, and maybe people will change their opinions about you. Instead, answer this very simple question: why should CCP not cater to those who have an insight and interest in EVE PvP just because you don't?

We already know that SC2 competitions haven't really caught on with the players of that game, so there is no need for you to keep repeating that. The thing is, EVE tournaments have caught on fairly well. So why shouldn't they capitalise on this?

Quote:
learn to read, stupid no-lifer. EVE tournaments are a joke and starcraft is very succesful.
What's the joke? They gather a large audience including quite a few non-EVE players. And yes, Starcraft is very successful. That's why you'd think that their tournaments would have a larger audience, and yet, according to you, it's only maybe a percent or so of the players… Since EVE tournaments readily match this, we arrive at the question above — the one you are unable to answer.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#131 - 2012-10-18 19:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Tippia wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Just saying stupid stuff are the actions of the dumbest of all trolls.


We already know that SC2 competitions haven't really caught on with the players of that game,


Roll

You do realize SC2 has a single player campaign and fun custom games as well. Its not just a game about tournaments. If hundreds of thousands of viewers at tournaments don't convince you of SC2 success as an e-sport, nothing will. EVE is a joke by comparison, given the number of people who have played EVE. EVE tournaments don't even pull more viewers than some SC2 pros streaming themselves on ladder. Hilarious that you tried go to there. Lol You just got owned by simple logic. Thanks for proving to us that anything you say should be considered as pure nonsense and that you deserve to be ignored.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#132 - 2012-10-18 19:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Nerf Burger wrote:
You do realize SC2 has a single player campaign and fun custom games as well. Its not just a game about tournaments.
So what you're saying is that not everyone have the interest and insight in SC2 PvP. And yet, they have tournaments.

So here's a question for you: why should CCP not cater to those who have an insight and interest in EVE PvP just because you don't?

Quote:
EVE is a joke by comparison, given the number of people who have played EVE.
Given the number of people who have played EVE, its tournaments are as popular as SC2s. So… see question above.

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You are just pathetic and stupid to do what you do. How can you not see it?

Mom must be proud
Cry me a river. Or just answer the question. Either suits me.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#133 - 2012-10-18 20:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Silk daShocka
Nerf Burger wrote:
EVE is a joke by comparison, given the number of people who have played EVE. EVE tournaments don't even pull more viewers than some SC2 pros streaming themselves on ladder.


Care to prove this with actual numbers and sources?

Seems to me SC2 stream pull in about 2.5k viewers (For a single stream). Quite the joke if you compare it to the better e-sport, League of Legends
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-10-18 21:26:09 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
If hundreds of thousands of viewers at tournaments don't convince you of SC2 success as an e-sport, nothing will.


SC2 is getting rolled by League of Legends, even in Korea, which is as close to 'holy ground' as Starcraft 2 has. The reason for the success? Less APM required, allowing people to play without smoking meth immediately prior to the match. If you want to compare EVE to a 'successful' e-sport, you'll have to use an example of a successful e-sport, not rolfcraft.

RIOT gave out $3mil in prizes for its world tournament, which makes SC2 pretty small potatoes in the e-sport world.

Of course all of this is pointless, the reason behind the tournament is more exposure, not the dream that EVE will be a top-tier e-sports game.




Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#135 - 2012-10-18 21:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
stg slate wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
If hundreds of thousands of viewers at tournaments don't convince you of SC2 success as an e-sport, nothing will.


SC2 is getting rolled by League of Legends, even in Korea, which is as close to 'holy ground' as Starcraft 2 has. The reason for the success? Less APM required, allowing people to play without smoking meth immediately prior to the match. If you want to compare EVE to a 'successful' e-sport, you'll have to use an example of a successful e-sport, not rolfcraft.

RIOT gave out $3mil in prizes for its world tournament, which makes SC2 pretty small potatoes in the e-sport world.

Of course all of this is pointless, the reason behind the tournament is more exposure, not the dream that EVE will be a top-tier e-sports game.



LOL. Nobody is trying to compare LoL to starcraft2. Lol

Of course LoL has much more players, being that its free and you don't have to think to play games like that. You also fail because you didn't comprehend that the $ 2mil prize pool is divided amongst the whole team, its coaches and its backup players. Its all relative. But EVE tournaments are still boring as **** to watch. Maybe if they made EVE free-to-play you could turn EVE into an e-sport, but it would still be a joke and nobody would watch twice. Try again, derp.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#136 - 2012-10-18 21:38:28 UTC
Since someone mentioned league of legends

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stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-10-18 21:39:27 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Of course LoL has much more players, being that its free and you don't have to think to play games like that.


I see, LoL requires no thought, nor does EVE. In fact from the sounds of it it seems like you only feel SC2 is a game worth of being an 'e-sport'.

I think I speak for the entire eve community when I say:

Get the **** out of our forums and go back to blizzard, we don't want you here.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#138 - 2012-10-18 21:47:44 UTC
stg slate wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Of course LoL has much more players, being that its free and you don't have to think to play games like that.


I see, LoL requires no thought, nor does EVE. In fact from the sounds of it it seems like you only feel SC2 is a game worth of being an 'e-sport'.

I think I speak for the entire eve community when I say:

Get the **** out of our forums and go back to blizzard, we don't want you here.


Or it could just be one of the worst (thats worst as in 'not good at') trolls on the forums digging for a few responses.

On a more on topic note it really doesnt matter how succesful starcraft or league of legends is as an Esport, they arent the ones concerned with an EVE tournament after all.

In my own opinion i think the setup they used for AT10 could work well as long as they made some modifications to the camera work. As was said upthread a bit lets see more zoomed in shots to show off the eye candy that a full scale eve fight can be and less time spent zoomed way out watching dots, theres space on the screen to have a window showing the overall view if people want it as you can lay it over where the commentator pictures were shown.

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#139 - 2012-10-18 21:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
stg slate wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Of course LoL has much more players, being that its free and you don't have to think to play games like that.


I see, LoL requires no thought, nor does EVE. In fact from the sounds of it it seems like you only feel SC2 is a game worth of being an 'e-sport'.

I think I speak for the entire eve community when I say:

Get the **** out of our forums and go back to blizzard, we don't want you here.


thats right, I don't even have to think when I play MOBAS, they are so easy that I chat with friends and talk on the phone while playing and winnning in them, sure it takes more skill than EVE pvp, but its still got an extremely low skill ceiling if you want to compare it to starcraft2 or any other RTS game for that matter. Also, The fact that its not 1v1, people don't realise they aren't good, dont get discouraged from losing and will continue to play. I'm sure there are a lot of ex-starcraft players who got ladder anxiety and dont play because losing 1v1, you've got nobody to blame but yourself and you realize how you measure up, something I'm sure many of you would like to forget and make exucuses for. Takes much longer to realize you suck in a MOBA where you don't even have to think or get better. Also, LoL isn't doing that much better than SC2, which says a lot considering one is free and made for dumb people.

Try harder, maddy. you got owned by simple logic twice now.
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-10-18 22:05:50 UTC
I like watching the eve tourney, but I think this tournament might be a bit of a waste for those participating and footing the bill to do so. But I enjoy watching it nonetheless, but not interested in doing this one, I will wait for ATXI.

SC2 is also great, eve better, but OP, please tell me an MMO that is more fun to watch? I can't think of a single one.