EVE General Discussion

The problem is that highsec players have this silly tendency to forget that EVE is not just a sandbox — it's a multiplayer sandbox. As a result, they erroneously believe that “doing their own thing” means “doing their own thing separate from the rest of the universe”, which kind of overlooks the whole multiplayer part, and then they get angry and confused when reality intrudes on their incorrect assumptions and they want reality to adjust to those assumptions rather than the other way around.

What about making Null Sec more accessible for smaller corps? As of right now, each time we've tried moving out to null sec it's ended in fail; either due to sovereignty, politics, or not having enough activity. I just dont like being cannon fodder for a larger alliance and having no say at all.

Most of the people i know play the game casually so Hi-sec is the natural place to be because it doesn't require that you are on daily for a couple of hours. Null sec is awesome with the loot and ****, and I don't think hi-sec even compares when you are really trying to make money in null sec. Hell I remember exploring and daily we would make at least 100 mill on just finding **** around the area.

Thanks for reading.

Respect.

I am sorry but TBH "ANY" point attempting to be made can and usually is clouded by the generalizations thrown around here such as the bold part.

If that accusation is specifically brought up in the individual cases where it applies that makes sense. However, the blanket you have thrown over "Hi sec players" does not apply to all and therefore your accusation not only does not apply to a lot, but comes off as nothing more than a generalized insult to players that have a different playstyle than yours.

This is why the "generalization discussions" really get nowhere.

Actually, they don't.

Those who step outside still keep a highsec presence for the things (e.g. non-cap production and research) that are downright stupid to do anywhere else.

…and that's why I didn't make a blanket accusation or generalisation, as noted in the bolded part.

This just proves what Tippia just said about " and they want reality to adjust to those assumptions rather than the other way around. "

If you don't have enough activitey, can't navigate the sov and political hurdels and don't want to join with a larger group of players (which comes with the downsides of not having much of a say and being "cannon fodder"), then you don't belong in null sec in the 1st place.

Nullsec (with the exception of NPC null) isn't casual land, its for hard core players and groups.

The obvious answer would be "fix your corp", but the 1st thing you say is "make null accessible to smaller corps".

I sometimes have to interrupt my pwning of NPCs with my Mach to go join a fleet op, even sometimes when I don't want to (although sometimes tbh I just log on my Wormhole guy and keep bearing lol). I accept that as part of the dues I pay for the privilege.




High sec is the natural place for casual players, the problem I have with some of them is that that want all the rewards us more dedicated players get with less effort on their part. IRL I deal with people on welfare everyday and they remind me soooo much of some high sec residents.

High sec is too static as it is. Cutting the empires off into little bubbles of safety would provide more diversity. Don't get me wrong, I'm no 1337 pvp'er. This young toon IS my main and I'm an adult with a full rl schedule which makes,me as casual a player as they come. I didn't make the suggestion to blow the pvp playground all over the map. I want push the pve out of high sec. The lawless frontier is what makes the game exciting to me and I think it would capture more permanent players. I got through the tutorial, the sisters' epic arc and started doing missions in high sec then almost quit out of boredom. Right before unsub'ing I decided to go check out low sec....got blown up right away. Fit another ship and lost it too. Then I met some cool people out there who weren't exclusively interested in WOW-style grinding, joined their corp, learned stuff, met more people. That is how I got hooked. I'm only here now because of the diversity that I found OUTSIDE of empire. It made the game dynamic and truly different from anything else I'd ever played.

I left highsec back in February, after returning to highsec from lowsec. I now reside in Fade (obv). Myself and my alt moved. I kept no presence.

I now have another alt in highsec using up one of my extra character slots. I log him in, train, and log off. It is my intention to sell him one day. That is about it. Aside from having an alt perma-docked in Jita for market purposes, there is not really any need for a highsec presence.

What can I do in highsec that I can't do BETTER and MAKE MORE MONEY in nullsec?

Rats have higher bounties and I get to mine the rarest ORE. Aside from just sitting in station doing station stuff, like research (which I can do at almost any outpost in nullsec) there is no purpose.

Research and production, most notably and while the rats may pay more, they are in limited supply and subject to interruption. Oh, and the ores aren't particularly valuable since the minerals are in plentiful supply in relation to the overall mineral basket.

Risk vs rewards....I know this will get blown back but from my point of view when I lived in dull I would rat and the bounty on rats (BS) paid nicely often million a pop, where in hi sec I get a measly 4000 to 8000 a pop, so I accept that I don't get spawns of BS to shoot with possible officer drops with bpc's worth billions I get that, im not complaining its the price for being more less safeI am training an alt right now to head down to dull so I can enjoy mega payouts and tons of minerals from hi end ores doing sanctums in hi sec there's no hope matching the drops, abundance, of dull, sure there's mega fleets here that decend on belts and make millions and are more less safe but I felt safer in dull because if local spikes with hostles or nuets you new who your enemies were. Leave hi sec alone, I call it dull sec for a reason don't blame hi sec for your boredom you can only make so much then say ok now what? And blowing up shepple is not gonna fix your life boredom.

My experience is from every kind of space EVE has to offer. So it's about as comprehensive as it gets.

Own space.

The point you're missing is that, no, different areas are not for different things. All areas offer the same. Highsec just offers them for far less effort and risk (and often with vastly improved availability) to the point where doing stuff outside of highsec only means you're making it harder for yourself for no reason. This is not because the game says the activity in question belongs in highsec but rather because it's not scaled properly in terms of what you get for your investment.

At one point, there was this idea that all areas would be interdependent and that different areas [ı]would[/i] offer different things, but that was on the level of raw materials and it's still largely true… but that's by geography, not by sec level. Once you've collected all the basic stuff from across the cluster gone to Jita where people bring stuff from all over the cluster, everything depending on those materials — from production up to destruction — can be done pretty much anywhere you please.