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What is the real problem people have with High Sec?
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Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-10-18 16:26:53 UTC
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions, and like it or not you will not force people out of Hi Sec that don't want to leave. So all of these ideas and complaints are academic, Hi Sec is not going to be nerfed as CCP employees enjoy having a paycheck. The only viable thing for them to do is find more things in Null for those there to focus on so they can stop worrying about players elsewhere.
Te'bral
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-10-18 16:50:56 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
If you read this article here http://themittani.com/features/vision-thing

It gives a really good idea of the problems with 0.0 ~Then, we see the recent changes over the last year to high sec (alchemy, mining barges, the upcoming criminal thing, hell even FW since most everyone made an alt to get in on that too.)

It's like every other area of the game gets sheltered, and coddled and buffed and polished whereas 0.0 gets kicked in the balls. The hardest place to live gets harder. That's my problem with high sec.



OK, I get what you are saying, but why is that about high sec? seems to me the issues are with null not high sec. If there are issues to fix in null, then ask for null to be fixed.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#103 - 2012-10-18 16:51:58 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE.

Most of the hatred for hisec comes from people who never go there, and the longer they sit in 0.0 talking about it the further their opinions about it get from the truth.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-10-18 16:55:36 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE.

Most of the hatred for hisec comes from people who never go there, and the longer they sit in 0.0 talking about it the further their opinions about it get from the truth.


True. There is plenty of PvP options in Hi and that will increase with the changes to the bounty system as well.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-10-18 16:56:59 UTC
Davis TetrisKing wrote:
A lot of GD at the moment seems to be unhappy about people living in High Sec almost primarily, so I want to legitimately ask what the biggest issues those players have with allowing other players to live in a mostly risk-free environment.

Can people make more ISK/hour than you think they should (L4s etc)?

Do people think that semi-afk mining is an issue as it potentially drives mineral prices down?

Do people want more targets to shoot in low/null/WH?

Should no-one in eve be allowed to play in a relatively risk free (from a ship getting blown up standpoint) environment?

Do people feel that if something can be done in High-Sec there is no point even bothering to do that activity in Low/Null/WH? (and also is this inherently a bad thing?)


I am legitimately interested in both what the perceived problems are with High-Sec and further what changes such a discussion could lead to in the future.

Yes
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#106 - 2012-10-18 16:57:05 UTC
All you pixel hard men are going to have to come to terms with the fact that not all Eve players like hardcore PVP and simply want the PVE experience. I like to grind missions and mine. some times when I feel froggy I go on a lil pvp gang. Stop trying to change high sec and make low and null sec more lucrative.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2012-10-18 16:57:38 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
All you pixel hard men are going to have to come to terms with the fact that not all Eve players like hardcore PVP and simply want the PVE experience. I like to grind missions and mine. some times when I feel froggy I go on a lil pvp gang. Stop trying to change high sec and make low and null sec more lucrative.

No.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2012-10-18 16:58:17 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE..

Wrong
funrollloops
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2012-10-18 16:59:07 UTC
I don't like high-sec because the system names are hard to pronounce and people are all big meanies there
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-10-18 17:01:34 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE..

Wrong


Lol, ok, you saying wrong must make it so.Roll
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#111 - 2012-10-18 17:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE..

Wrong


Nope.

Even when there's lots of giant fleet battles in 0.0 far more people were killed in hisec over the same period of time.

Check out the game map with "ships destroyed in the last 24 hours" activated sometime. You should find it surprising. Even pod kills in the last 24 hours shows hisec to be just as active as anywhere else, if not moreso.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-10-18 17:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Bane Necran wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE..

Wrong


Nope.
Wrong:

Ship losses by security status

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235


High Sec

PVP: 1,974,022
PVE: 6,317,926
Total: 8,291,948

Null Sec

PVP: 7,061,988
PVE: 568,353
Total: 7,630,341




hth
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2012-10-18 17:10:15 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE..

Wrong


Lol, ok, you saying wrong must make it so.Roll

Yes
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-10-18 17:10:35 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions


People in hisec aren't even strictly PvE'ers. There's far more PvP in hisec than anywhere else in EVE..

Wrong


Nope.
Wrong:

Ship losses by security status

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235


High Sec

PVP: 1,974,022
PVE: 6,317,926
Total: 8,291,948

Null Sec

PVP: 7,061,988
PVE: 568,353
Total: 7,630,341




hth


So many ships lost to PVE yet the forum trolls complain that PVE'ers ruin the economy because they don't lose ships and just add modules and minerals to the market. Seems your numbers would argue against that assertion.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#115 - 2012-10-18 17:11:57 UTC
Because the people in highsec think that pvp should be eliminated from highsec. They don't understand that non-consensual pvp is the basis of this game and will never go away. CONCORD is there to punish, not prohibit.

FC, what do?
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#116 - 2012-10-18 17:13:49 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
People can dislike Hi Sec mechanics and the players who live there all they want but I doubt that this game can survive without the PVE'ers subscriptions, and like it or not you will not force people out of Hi Sec that don't want to leave. So all of these ideas and complaints are academic, Hi Sec is not going to be nerfed as CCP employees enjoy having a paycheck. The only viable thing for them to do is find more things in Null for those there to focus on so they can stop worrying about players elsewhere.


Respect. Cool

I think you are touching upon the bigger issue that very few seem to be taking into account. This is supposed to be a sandbox game with a complex diversity of players "doing their own thing". Any efforts/suggestions to force players into this or that type of game play is fail at the start.
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-10-18 17:13:56 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Because the people in highsec think that pvp should be eliminated from highsec. They don't understand that non-consensual pvp is the basis of this game and will never go away. CONCORD is there to punish, not prohibit.



Have never read anyone calling for the removal of pvp from hi sec, even the miners only wanted their ships to be more balanced so not to be destroyed so easily. What a silly generalization.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2012-10-18 17:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Kara Vix wrote:

So many ships lost to PVE yet the forum trolls complain that PVE'ers ruin the economy because they don't lose ships and just add modules and minerals to the market. Seems your numbers would argue against that assertion.

No. The numbers confirm that the risk/reward aspect for PVE is dramatically skewed in favor of highsec, to the point where PvE (and its losses) occur there near exclusively.
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-10-18 17:20:30 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:

So many ships lost to PVE yet the forum trolls complain that PVE'ers ruin the economy because they don't lose ships and just add modules and minerals to the market. Seems your numbers would argue against that assertion.

No. The numbers confirm that the risk/reward aspect for PVE is dramatically skewed in favor of highsec, to the point where PvE (and its losses) occur there near exclusively.


Lol, ok this is going nowhere, even when you post numbers that argue against an assertion, you defend it. I stated my beliefs and stand by them and have nothing further to say on this topic, vi ses /wave.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#120 - 2012-10-18 17:21:52 UTC
nvm