EVE General Discussion

Serious hat on for a second:

- High sec has almost no restrictions. Only restrictions are on:
-- Slaves
-- Pills
-- Ore types you can farm
-- Towers and jobs you can do on them
-- Tech moons
-- More unless stuff that you really don't care about

- High sec has masses more of the following vs null:
++ Places you can dock without restriction
++ Agents
++ Places to research and manufacture stuff
++ Interesting new faces and people to meet

- Null sec has the following restrictions
-- Can only dock in stations / outposts you have standings to
-- No Agents in Outposts
-- very limited ability to manufacture stuff in stations
-- almost zero new faces seen daily in local and you're just not meeting new face here.

Low sec offers a good middle ground between the two

I'd like to see high sec be heavily restricted in the good that can be brought in. Pirate stuff, should really be PIRATE STUFF (illegal). Try selling PIRATE COPIES of a Computer game in your local store. That'll work out well for you. You're already aware of this activity being bad, so you take part with risk.

Faction stuff, also make that illegal in opposing faction space

Yes, it'll be SODDING frustrating for those of you that got used to your one stop shop. That's why you would want to move to low / null sec, to be rid of these 'restrictions'.

Alas, high sec is mostly restriction free, so there's mostly no point leaving it

Restrictions aren't there to FORCE people out of high sec, but if those people want to fly pirate ships, guess where you're going to head for that?

I'm happy for either this to happen or nothing else at all. Seems a waste of effort to do something else.

So...we in High Sec should get rid of our illegal Machariels.

"That'll go over well."

Players used to police this sort of thing, until it was made much much harder to do so and thoroughly unprofitable.

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Earth is described as a "Water Planet". Does that mean every square meter of Earth is covered with water? No, there are deserts. In the same way "Eve is a cold, dark universe" does not mean every single system is cold and dark. There is a "risk desert" known as high sec.

Someone mentioned he likes ratting in low, but the income stinks relative to L4s in high. Why not run L4s in low? They pay better.

Yes that's right. Missions in low sec and null sec pay better than the exact same mission in high sec. Most everything in low and null pays better than high sec. Ratting in low is better than ratting in high, and better still in null. So is exploration, incursions, PI, gas mining, ice mining, and moon mining. Asteroid mining is currently the odd man out, except for Mercoxit and Arkonor.

You may say "That's all true, until someone interferes with your activities". That's why you secure your space, make friends, and blue ball up. And then people complain about blue balls!

I would not reduce income in high sec. Many players enjoy that play style, and giving them incentive to go find a different game will do little more than reduce CCP's income. For those players who do enjoy low and null, there should be sufficient income there for those players. Given the above, I would think there is. But if not, some buffs are needed. These are not to entice high sec dwellers out, but to allow low and null sec dwellers to stay there and make the numbers add up.

Good post, but what is missing? You basically said 0.0 has best of everything.

I would like to see this as well, I think it could be achieved via a number of 0.5 systems having their status lowered to 0.4 via player actions (not pve), I think this should be a temporary effect and I think it could be worked into FW. Downside is it could be exploited, ie false conflicts, somebody far cleverer than me would have to work out the details.

That would bring Eve to a new lvl. However, CCP would need to change some of the mechanics in the game to enable people to catch ships "as they fly". All the gate campers would rage if there would be no more gates where ships are usually "catched". If CCP could introduce a more dynamic and fun way to catch ships, the players who used to gate camp would then have an alternate new way to continue to get kills.

Instead of catching ships as they uncloack, CCP could find ways to enable the ability to "chase" ships that get within dscan range, warp to them, and either take them out of warp or land on the same grid the targeted ship was warping to.

This would bring new dynamics to the game and would surely make things way more interesting and fun!

Can't answer for that poster, But I can answer for me. EVE is a game about conflcit (and the resulting tears, see homw much CCP folsk talk about tears). High sec is a unnecessary evil sure, but the unintended consequence of it is that people just live there, making things and creating isk without doing many of the things to actually drive the games economy like losign ships and mods.

More conflcit in a game about conflict is good, less conflcit is bad. It doesn't have to be all shooting, but ship destruction is a major thing.



I hate when people ask what's in it for me. It's not always about me. Sometimes changes can be good for a society as a whole and not be all that great for various individuals, and vice versa.

Too many people, however, are unable to look outside their own narrow wants and needs, and I think that's a shame. That's why at times I advocate things that aren't great for me (I LOVED old incursion isk, just like i love that FW plex LP lol) but better overall for the game.

As for will it attract new players, i don't know but I don't think so, unfortunately more human beings are not hard core enough to enjoy something like EVE, hell, lots of EVE players are insufficiently hard core and Tear extraction-centric to fully enjoy EVE.

I'd probly stop playing if that happened honestly.
It needs diversity.