EVE General Discussion

You owe an apology to everyone at CCP for thinking that they would do something so foolish and stupid.

You give them absolutely no credit at all for their effots the PAST DECADE.

CCP said, advertised and promised that Eve, is a conflict driven game, it's a game about war, about actions and consequences, it's on their ads, videos, clips, posters, everywhere. It's written on their website, it's stated various times by official CCP representatives; so yes, I believe and can safely bet that my (or our) interpretation of Eve is mostly correct.

To be fair, hisec players also have been complaining, crying and so on for years, constantly to CCP; why are you ignoring this fact? and without surprise, CCP listens, the numerous nerf to ganking proves that, the mining barge buffs have proven that as well, that doesn't even include various actions taken by CCP to nerf down the "harshness" of Eve, just to cater to those people who have been crying and bitching about Eve being what it is. So when we do want / disagree with (some of) those changes and CCP weren't listening to us and we keep reminding them of their own ideology of what the game is. You don't think it's sad?

True, games needs to evolve to survive; but there's also that point when evolving to survive becoming evolving to grab a piece of the cake everyone else's having. CCP is well known for it's idealism and courage to have developed a game, where the game itself is not considered mainstream in concept. They have succeeded, to a point. As for the future, No matter what we talked about, what we players debated, it's going to be their decision and it's always going to be a gamble on their side. I voiced my opinion because I love this game, I play this game because it is what is promised to me by the game developers, a game so deep and so complex and filled with conflict.

What part of "change players attitudes" did you not understand?

MALARKY the .8 nerf to HI & 1.2 buff to NULL payouts was exceeded in Incursion payout differences and still NULL cried for Incursion nerfs until itwas granted & it broke incursions to the point they are now dying


NERFING IS THE PROBLEM Nerfing is a lazy way to fix issues when appropriate & thoughtfull buffs would incrementally solve issues with the least amount of screaming. CCP's current trend of creating blundering Monty Haul campaigns with huge nerf bats accross the knees of other profitable portions of the sandbox has made the forums into a screaming match with everyone scared thier income will soon be on the chopping block so they figure point CCP in the other direction by screaming:
"GO NERF THE OTHER GUYS SANDBOX DO NOT TOUCH MY SANDBOX MY SANDBOX IS PERFECT & BALANCED" So far the best screamers have been peeps in worm holes whom have not seen CCP touch thier golden gooses in over 2 years

Provocation and implying that I had done something that I didn't do doesn't make it true. I've never said they're stupid for doing anything and I haven't stated even once that I disregard their hardwork so far. It's your words, not mine.

No. You're the very reason Eve is stagnant. It isn't what I think the game is and how it should be played, though that's what every single hard core nul bear pvper says but doesn't admit to.

No, I'm talking about getting RID of the elitism. If you wanna pvp, go for it. But don't act high and mighty with that "you second class citizen pleb non pvper" crap. Eve is a sandbox. If it is to evolve to that true sandbox that CCP wanted, the elitism and rioting over anything NOT ship balancing has to go.

What do you want? Another 10 years of balancing ships? How long do you think CCP will survive? Stagnation is never good for business.

Spouting that nonsense a second time doesnt make it any less wrong.

No. Adapt to change or leave. If high sec wasn't bashed and persecuted against, I wouldn't bother bashing pvpers or nul bears or whatever. But they do, so I bash back. I've been on both sides of the fence and I know PVE'ers get shafted quite easily and quite often. They just want to mission and mine and build in peace. They want to unwind and relax. But others are screaming to take that away and, if they dont like it, tell em to go play hello kitty online.

Yes, because loosing accounts and money is good for Eve.

They didn't want you to play their way, the nuls/lows wanted THEM to play THEIR way because THEY think Eve is PEWPEW only. Wrong. Eve is what you make it out to be. I'm not advocating for nerfing low and buffing high, I never said that in this thread. I'm against the elitist bullshit attitudes spewed by bitter vets.

Go and leave those of us who like Eve as a casual game in our corner of the sandbox in peace.

I completely agree with this.

actually, no..
This would destroy the moving of goods in empire, and that would be bad for the game if done over night.

1st step I believe would be to re-distribute the ore in the NULL grav sites. They should be balanced, so that if SOMEONE is mining everything, they could be able to build ships, and not have to do massive trades to empire.

2nd step would be to make owning space useful. For example, make it possible for the owner of a station to set the tax / fee on transactions to what ever they want.

3rd step, make the tax in High-Sec, 5% in 1.0, 4.5% in 0.9, 4% in 0.8 and so on, down to 0 to 100% in null sec.

4th ... you NEED to make it possible to drop multiple stations in each system. Maybe a new type of stations that can hold pretty much the same stuff that you can put on a large (or medium) POS in HighSec. (Make them cost 10 billion isk, and tie to the sov of the master-station in system.

5th ... make SEC status in empire somewhat dependant on upkeep. If a lot of pirates are killed in a system, then raise the sec status, so that agents will send you longer and longer out to do your missions. If there is a system that noone kills the rats in, let the status drop down towards 0.5

6th .. remove faction police from 0.5 systems , keep concorde