EVE General Discussion

Well thank you for admitting my argument is good. I mean I know it's good because it's mine, but it's always nice to hear it off someone else

Seriously though, say the average person loses 1 ship a month ratting in Null. They should make at least the same money as someone who spent the month in high sec AFTER the ship loss is taken into account, which means they need to earn more money as a base factor. If you are good enough to not lose any ships ratting in null sec you'll make a chunk more more then High Sec, but there's the key fact, I said "if you are good". L4 mission running takes a good fit but then basically 0 skill, just ask my dual repping Apocalypse.





The problem is that there is a lot more Low and Null then there is High. If everyone spends 90% of their time in High and 10% of their time in Low/Null, you do the maths and figure out how likely it is anyone will ever bump into each other in the 4000 odd star systems that make it up.

You should be able to self sustain yourself in Low fairly easily. Imo it should be where all the rogues, bounty hunters and general anti-social (game wise) people live, fight and survive where it's easy to keep yourself going in PvP ships but to be able to field anything expensive you need to be REALLY good at fighting.

Null should be where the average person rats or whatever in relative (note not complete, null will never be complete) safety, right up until the neighbouring empire decides to invade you and suddenly everyone is called to the front line to fight a long and gruelling war to keep your home and way of life. After the war is done you retire back onto your "farm".... until the next war anyway.

If you're making all your money in High Sec and then spending 10% of your time in Low/Null then you can call neither your home, you don't feel the need to defend it and you're not presenting extra PvP targets for opportunists. This is bad as it means less PvP in general as the gang that ganks 1 mission runner often ends up fighting an actual gang because their location is reported.



See this is the small minded and ignorant opinion that taints so many people in High Sec. Players in Null know how big of an impact High/Low/Null have on each other because certain alliances frequently purposefully exploit these dependencies. Players in Null nearly all have Jita alts or mining alts or whatever to supplment their null lifestyle (you can argue they shouldnt need to be thats a different story). People in high sec don't generally get that what happens in High effects Low and Null and vice versa.

I know you don't get it because if you did you'd realise why players from Low/Null are so annoyed at High Sec players recently, it's not "gankers moaning about high sec safety nerfs because they can't gank" it's Null and Low sec people getting annoyed because extra safety on an already impressive income is just making it less appealing for people to actually live in the areas of the game that create emergent gameplay.

I'm sure threads like this one make developers happy because instead of asking for new features players pointlessly fight with each other.

Maybe instead of asking to make everyone around un-happy you better ask for new content - it might work sooner or later.

(Though the only time I've seen developers asking for players' opinions was thread about "new station environment" in Retribution video where developer accidentally asked "do you want new interiors like that?" and got few pages of "yes!!!!!").

thank you for the npc alt post that is of the usual npc alt post caliber

So what? Eve isn't about pvp, it's a sandbox. He wants to mission? Let him mission.

He's right though, alt or not. Your NAP alliances bore you because you're too afraid to just try to blow everyone up, lest your wallet sinks. So, you demand high sec nerfage and kicking carebears out to nul because "the game is meant to be played that way." With that revelation of problem solving, you finally are able to pad your killboards. It's like the rich and wealthy demanding the poor to die in the pits of the coliseum of old for their pleasure.

Wrong.

Personal attack removed - CCP Falcon

There is not hate for high sec, it serves a purpose as a stable trading zone.

The "hate" is for people who come into the game, find out they don't like the things that make up the COREand SPIRIT of the game (pvp in various forms, rough and unforgiving competition, people trying to extract tears for other human being ect) and rather than leave and go find a theme park game more to their liking come on the fourms and moan about everything....usually in the form of a "the game would get more subs if (insert game killing BS here)".

I don't care if people never leave high sec, I care about the overall health of the game, and people pumping isk and materials into the game while lsing nothing and taking no risk....too much of that is just bad for the game. This is why CCP tries to get people to pew pew, consumption is vital.





This is the problem, why people hate high sec dwellers, that sense of entitlement.

What you say here is like saying in real life "dude, I want to be well off and have nice things like a big house, 4 cars and the ability to send my 5 kids to private school and college without getting financial aide, but I don't want to work a full time job, go to school, or do anything that is even slightly unpleasant".........

Seriously?

Seriously now? We're bringing up entitlement?

Of course he's ******* entitled to do what he wants you stupid bullet eating bleach dyed bimbo ****, he paid for the gods damn game and he should be able to play as he see's fit.

This is a GAME. Not a god damn **** stain ******* JOB.

This whole "they're not entitled" bullshit pisses me off. I paid for x, I want x, not a part of it that you think I don't deserve, ALL of it. The barrier of entry is stupidly high for solo people who want to pvp in their spare time. Because not all of us can dedicate our damn LIVES to a pirate or nul alliances because we have jobs, spouses, kids, LIVES OUTSIDE OF EVE.

So don't go on that self entitled bullshit **** parade you tit. He paid for it, he should be able to experience it.


So what? Some of us don't want to deal with your pvp crap. Deal with it.

Anyone who pays is ENTITLED to log in. If you don't like what happens after you log in, take your money elsewhere. Pretty simple right?

Wrong, suck on a grenade. An individual pays for service x. not 1/2 of x, not 1/4 of x, X, ALL of x, 1/1. I'm not saying people should be able to go in and immediately be able to take a swath of 0.0 at their whim.

But the fact the people say "you aren't entitled to pvp unless you're 100% dedicated to it" is almost the single stupidest thing (next to your comment) I've ever read.

Also post with your main.

No there isn't. He's doing as he wants and I'm glad. This is a sandbox. If he wants to kick up some dirt out in the badlands, let him enjoy it. My comment was directed at Jenna Side's bullshit idea that unless he's dedicated 100% of his time to pvp, he isn't entitled to anything and he's the "reason" why people hate high sec.


Yes, he does. I should have clarified my rant a little more. Sorry about that!


See above. Was more directed at JennaSides crap comment. Though I hope he has more than a rifter handy...


And this is where the similarities end. No, eve is not a pvp game, it is a SANDBOX game. Ask the devs, ask the ******* CEO. Eve is and always was meant to be the most all encompassing sci fi simulation sandbox to ever exist. A universe within a super computer in the middle of iceland tended to by drunken programmers with a penchant for sociopathic activities.

As for you saying "I've never heard anyone say that" in respects to pvp non-entitlement without 100% dedication, she did when talking to F'letch by saying;