Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This may be the most balance upsetting change we have seen. Logis are too strong, now you can have as many for your fleet as you like as everyone, there alt, and there dog will be able to fly one. its a great idea, but tune the stats down or you are going to see blobs everywhere.

It's a better game change than off grid boosting and active people is always better than afk POS kissing alts.
Then if someone else can bring T1 logisitc cruisers you should be able too, just make yourself more friends and less alts.

Players like me who really don't like healers in space job will not be flying those anyway or just once in time for lulz.

mm.. perhaps tracking link and projected eccm range

its odd to see so many large mods on a cruiser it feels wrong to me like they should really be using mediums.
and giving ridiculous 1000% bonus's on it shouldn't be happening it tells you the T2 logi are over bonused (and should be using medium reppers) for these T1's to need such a massive bonus to get anywhere near worth using.

The faction variants filled a completely different role than the base T1 variant before, so why should that change now?
The Navy exeq was more like a thorax in usage... maybe they can change these to another hull model (like they did with the helios a while back, andd recently the SBs), based off the "tier 3" cruisers.


I agree that the drone bonus is lame
Suggestions:

Augoror:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount
5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers and Energy Transfers
200% bonus to Energy Transfer Array transfer amount

Exequror:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
15% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount
*** 5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use-> 7.5% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use (or maybe even 10%)
Role Bonus:
1000% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
*** 100% bonus to Logistic Drone (both armor and shield) rep amount -> no bonus

As with their T2 brethren, we'd have logi that should be in a cap chain, and logi that don't need to be in a cap chain

Then to the T2 logi, we can think about other things like ewar support as a secondary specialization on top of the repping: ECCM (Gallente, counters their caldari enemy), remote Sebo (Caldari, counters the gallente enemy, aids sniping), remote tracking links (minmatar, counters amarr tracking disruptors), ... uhh something to counter minmatar TPs?

Another thought is to make the exequor a shield and armor logi - Gallente Carriers, ie huge logis, have bonuses to shield and armor transfers.
I dislike them trying to shoe gallente into armor. Like minmatar, many gallente ships can be fit well for shields, many can be fit well for armor (yet they seem to insist on putting armor rep bonuses on the good gall shield boats)

T1 logis could go like so:
Caldari: Shield transfer bonus, energy transfer bonus
Amarr: Armor transfer bonus, energy transfer bonus
Gallente: Armor and shield transfer bonus
Minmatar: Shield transfer bonus, remote tracking link bonus

I would really like to see the faction variants of these cruisers to be rolebonused into covert ops support cruisers, like the Etana but without all the steroids and crack.


Also, so far these support cruisers seem to be... awesome :)







So, if i read this correctly, you state that a T1 Support Cruiser will rep approx 250 raw hitpoints per second, and a T2 Logistics Cruiser is repping roughly 380 raw hitpoints per second? If this is correct, than i am very proud to have a Scythe fitting ready that will pump out ~325 raw shieldhp per second. Sounds quite awesome, doesn't it? :)

The blog is neat, though Logi V pilots shouldn't fret just yet. The oversized trick only works on the shield logistic cruisers; Logistics ships get a bonus to fitting reps, but the shield Logis only get a CPU fitting bonus and the Scythe/Osprey have a healthy CPU to fall back on. The notion that T1 will be ~30% better~ than T2 is hyperbolic (though great for blog views) - a standard fit AB Scimi would still rep more than an oversized Scythe (though it would only be 10% better), and in fleet warfare I would rather have a ship that can survive than one that can do a hilarious gimmick, but that is my own personal view. In smaller scale things I'd still prefer a Scimi, since (3 of these Scythes could be shut down by 1 Maulus. In a 1v1 situation with a hidden Scythe alt I could indeed wreak havoc, but there would be much more havoc with a Griffin or Crucifier alt (hey these new ewar frigs are balloutrageous). But all of that is beside the point.

The T1 cruiser logistics are designed, if I understand Fozzie correctly, to operate with medium reps. Eve players constantly prove one thing: we're very good at breaking things. A good reason to post these things early )) I do agree that (easily) fitting large reps on a Scythe/Osprey is broken, and it should be rather trivial to bring the mechanic that makes it nonviable for the Augoror/Exequror to play the same trick. I do sort of hope that you can gimp your fit and have a gimmick 90km Scythe that is effectively useless in 95% of the situations but comedic gold in the remaining 5%.

As said in the blog, too:

Updated attributes with what is announced so far.

But i think Jester took it a little wrong because the rep isn't 40% stronger than with Scimitar. It's just 16,7% compaired directly (1152 to 1344). He should differentiate between the logi's boost and what the boosted ship is able to tank.

Nevertheless, CCP should rework this. But i think it's easy made: The Scythe got too much CPU (Medium Shield Transfer fitted the Scythe only needs 395 of available 518 CPU). They just have to take 100 or 110 CPU away and there is no possibility of fitting 2 Large Shield Transfers. Easy made and with Mediums still a fine and well balanced ship in my opinion.



Guess what? There are always guys out there trying exactly this overpowered boosting scythe and will be - i bet on this - victory with it. In the end it's all about the pilots skills in flying ships, not the ship itself. So there should be no possibility to do exactly this Large Shield Transfer fit

I agree with Elise, and think that Jester is overreacting somewhat, especially when you consider that his fitting requires Minmatar Cruiser V to work, which does not have a trivial training time.

Besides which. An AB Scythe or Osprey will die in a fire if it stays on grid for any length of time, since it cannot maintain range in any meaningful way, unless the pilot has bounce spots all over the grid and no bubbles to stop him from using them.

When fit with MWD, the T1 support cruisers have about 20%-50% less repping power than comparable T2 logistics fittings. A 5/1 Basilisk is absolutely superior to a 4/1 Osprey, for example. Similarly, an AB Scimitar is superior to an AB Scythe in tank and in sustained repping power. Comparing an AB Scythe with an MWD Scimitar is not really all that meaningful, as I tried to point out in comments to Jester's post.

It may be a good idea to release these ships with the currently-proposed stats, and see how they are used. EVE players will find all of the potential exploits quite quickly, and the stats can then be adjusted accordingly.

Fozzie bend your knee and bow to the might and greatness of Ripard Teg! You shall fix the Support Cruisers because he says so! He has defeated you with numbers and shiit. Get to steppin.