EVE General Discussion

Why all the hate for high sec? You know how I use high sec? I run missions there and I sell my stuff there so I can spend the ISK on ships and then go PVP with them in low sec and sometimes in null if I feel like I definitely want to lose my ship instead of just maybe. Then, when I run out of ISK I go back to high sec to get some more dosh.

Also at the moment I am farming FW for more money but we all know that little gravy train will soon reach its last stop.

If high sec got nerfed, it would be a lot harder for me to get the green I need to fund the PVP we love and that this game is really about. Making it take longer to earn that dolla will only mean I have to grind more for less, and lose ships less often. We need taergets right? And targets require ISK to buy ships so you can blow them up.

OK, I know there are those who just stay in high sec and horde their stuff and faction fit their mission tengus and what have you but no matter how much you nerf high sec the risk adverse will still remain there. No amount of stick will get them into low but maybe the right type of carrot.

Anyway, I'm a casual player. No time for null and the logistics of living there so ISK grinding there is not an option. And to be honest I CBA with CTA, killboard etc so it is not for me.

All I want to do is PVP and grind as little as possible to make that happen. High sec ISK sources are important to help me and others like me fund that lifestyle so please don't nerf them.

Bold is mine as it basically answers your question.

You make money in High Sec and then go blow stuff up in Low/Null.

What you SHOULD be doing is making money in Low/Null and then blowing stuff up in Low/Null. This is the ideal world:

You Rat/Mission/Whatever in Low/Null
You are a target for PvP gangs
Occasionally you die making isk (Making PvPers happy as they get some kills)
HOWEVER the amount of isk you're making is so much more then High Sec it makes up for the ship being blown up
At the end of the month you've still made more money after losses then in High Sec. (Meaning you're happy as you can spend money on whatever).

This way Low/Null becomes your home, rather then a big PvP arena. When it is just a big PVP arena it means that 50% of the sodding Galaxy is only being used when people want to fight other gangs, which is why it's so hard to find people to kill sometimes in Null.

The fact you earn all your money in one place then go somewhere else to fight is the big part of the problem, you spend most your time where you can't be attacked then go somewhere you can when you're ready, but if everyone else is doing the same is it any wonder that everyone misses each other?

OK then this is a farily compelling argument. And I forgot to mention, I also do low sec exploration. This has resulted in several lost ships and also in my plexes being intruded upon by people who have nicked the nice loot drops. Well, that's low sec and that's the way it goes, no worries.

But then I'm like, OK, I've spent all day doing these plexes and getting the escalations and now it is for nothing. So, I can't afford my PVP ships so I need to grind some more. Where am I going to go? High sec. Guaranteed income, low to zero risk, and I haven't wasted my Sunday afternoon.

I agree with everyone that FW is broken. Too much ISK coming from this. But low sec needs better income for the risk involved if people are going to go there to grind.

Let's face it, as you say, low sec IS a PVP arena. But I also ask what is wrong with that? If everyone there is there for PVP then no easy ganks, you need skills to win, you need to put ISK into your ship to make it effective. If I tried to make all my ISK in low sec it would take a VERY long time to get the same money I would in high sec as you are constantly trying to avoid other players.

Yeah, I didn't coin the phrase, it's been around for a while. Null dwellers then, whatever. You know what I mean.

I saw a Bear once, it was stealing a picnic basket ^_^

This approach has served me well in dealing with bears in EVE over the years.

And please stop trying to derail the thread with this bear crap. I am putting forward a decent argument for NOT nerfing high sec as it funds putting me, a rather poor combat pilot, gladly in the sights of pirates, PVPers and general griefers. I play this game for PVP and I want the ISK grind to be as painless and quick as possible so I can spend more time doing that.

And by the way, I don't sell PLEX to fund it either. Not because I don't have the RL money but because I don't want to spend any more than my £10 a month on this game. I know I am "doing it wrong" if I can't pay for my game time with ISK, but as I have already explained, I grind as little as possible to fund my PVP. All my ISK goes on skills, ships and mods.

Cant people just quit moaning about what the other side are doing? You wanna live in null, do it. You wanna live in low, do it. You wanna live in high, do it. Just stop whining that the other has it better than you. If you think the grass is greener, then go move there ffs

No, no nerfing to income. You have to realize that many PvPers earning in hisec and spending in low/null sec.

But i agree that the method of rewarding should be changed. No Bounty for NPCs, no loot. Just LP income and thats it. This should be also implemented for low/null npc exept that those NPCs should drop loot. Voilá - isk faucet no more.

So why do you want another nail in the coffin of PvE outside of hisec?