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DON'T FLY A TENGU.. unless you are .......

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#61 - 2012-10-18 03:23:00 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16


Crikey I have a Navy Omen that could stomp that Tengu.

That's some absurdly low EHP and DPS for PvP in a ship that expensive.
Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-10-18 06:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Imawuss
If you don't know what skills you should have or how to fit a ship that will cost over 1 bil when fited you hsould not be flying said ship, as you will die very quickly. Also if you can't fit T2 luanchers don't fly a 1 bil isk ship. period.
I think you should read up on how to fit, what skills do, how to fly, etc. before you take it out again. Don't ask for links use google like the rest of us. Or i will supply links if you tell us where you do missions out of ;)
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-10-18 06:40:54 UTC
what did you do to that tengu Shocked

Put a active tank and faction mods on it if you get webbed now your screwed also ignore the douch saying target BC first...

Shoot anything that can web/point you first.

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#64 - 2012-10-18 07:17:37 UTC
Would you Believe, I fly an Armour Tengu :P

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
pussnheels
Viziam
#65 - 2012-10-18 07:35:27 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16

as with every t3 cruiser they only start to shine when your subsystemskills are atleast 4 pref maxed out ( only takes a bit more than a month to max them all out )
geting your missilelaunchers support skills to 4 helps alot aswell, and you don't have to faction fir it , it works well with t2 mods aswell
this and what other posters said counts for all t3 cruisers

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-10-18 08:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...

PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-10-18 08:10:46 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...


Thx for proving my point :D
May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll????

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#68 - 2012-10-18 08:12:05 UTC
HAM LEGION :D :D :D

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-10-18 08:13:22 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

Rigs

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Big smile

Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin'

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-10-18 08:17:13 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...


Thx for proving my point :D
May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll????

http://i.imgur.com/pMckn.png

no, just the missile support skills. there are only a few skills that affects a tengu's dps, missile support skills are the most obvious ones besides caldari offensive subsystem skill.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-10-18 08:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
or the uber gank prot with 1400dps and +400K EHP.

Did you ever bother trying to achieve these numbers in EFT? Just... wow.

Not to mention that we are comparing a fast ship with almost 90 km reach with a ramming range combat brick... Proteus can be better with specific environements and tasks, but that's it.

OT: page 2 contains great responses on what should be trained.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-10-18 08:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Sarah Schneider wrote:
PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply.

But you had me going there for a minute.

Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-10-18 09:00:45 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply.

But you had me going there for a minute.

Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P

Yep, most of my tengu fits use T2 MBLA + 2 flares or bay thrusters for HAM, the only alternative is 2 rigors + flare or 3 field extenders for thundercats. There's no excuse no to imo. Tengus really don't need CCCs (aside from 100mn ones), they're a damn waste of rig slots/calibrations since we can fit a reasonable or even an absurd level of tank without resorting to large even med boosters.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#74 - 2012-10-18 09:03:12 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

Rigs

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Big smile

Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin'



Since I can perma run my large shield booster and AB, I'd say the fit is fine. Jus' sayin'.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-10-18 09:03:56 UTC
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-10-18 09:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

Rigs

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Big smile

Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin'



Since I can perma run my large shield booster and AB, I'd say the fit is fine. Jus' sayin'.

If by "fine" you mean you're wasting 400 calibration and 3 rig slots which can be used to significantly increase your dps, improve your tank or better damage against smaller/faster targets with rigors/flares, then.. Ok.

PS: you do know that a tengu can go over 1k dps tank even with small boosters right?

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#77 - 2012-10-18 09:26:30 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

Rigs

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Big smile

Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin'



Since I can perma run my large shield booster and AB, I'd say the fit is fine. Jus' sayin'.

If by "fine" you mean you're wasting 400 calibration and 3 rig slots which can be used to significantly increase your dps, improve your tank or better damage against smaller/faster targets with rigors/flares, then.. Ok.

PS: you do know that a tengu can go over 1k dps tank even with small boosters right?



Nope, I had no idea. Then again I never did state that my fit was perfect, or even remotely amazing. All I ever said was "Here is my fit and it works fine". I can just happily zoom around, not a care in the world, I can sit perfectly still if I choose by fitting a TP for those pesky frigs.

If your only goal in EVE is ISK/ph then my setup is not very good. If you just like to relax and watch little smoke trails drifting in space and ships exploding, then my fit is "fine".

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-10-18 10:25:10 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.

Maybe they equipped a Vindicator in the utility high slot?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-10-18 10:31:08 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...

PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

DAT 'EM hole..

SRSly post the fit next time you brag about your leet EFT skills

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-10-18 10:47:53 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I see people dishing out 1200 dps+

Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P

guess again
http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png

yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...

PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p

DAT 'EM hole..

SRSly post the fit next time you brag about your leet EFT skills

If I need to omnitank, I'd fit an omnitank. EM resists will do you no good with serpentis rats; also no, I won't post the fit; and no, I wasn't bragging about EFT skills, for the same reason why I didn't post the fittings in the first place. Fitting a tengu is a common knowledge, a lot of people who knows what they're doing can easily guess where the numbers from my screenshot are coming from.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave