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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#1 - 2012-10-18 03:19:42 UTC
There is only one question that is not being answered in terms of

1: Crimewatch 2
2: Killright mechanics
3: Bounty mechanics
4: Buffed exhumers
5: etc.

That question is, under an all-knowing "CCP is just trying to make highsec safer", "hidden agendas" and so-on-and-on-and-on-and-on-and-on....... Why would they?

If the current model is so damn successful and working. Why would they?

If it will destroy Eve as we know it. Why would they?

Put yer "it's affecting my playstyle", percieved or otherwise and answer the question with your BRAIN in gear. Why would they?

PS: No side is being taken here either, I'm just really, really curious to know why people think CCP are "too stupid" for their own sake?

TLDR: Why would they?

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Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#2 - 2012-10-18 03:35:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiknight
People need boogeymen, they need to suffer injustice, even if it is only in their mind. They would literally pull the ceiling down upon themselves, if for no other reason than to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-18 03:38:22 UTC
They seem to be under the belief that making hisec safer will bring more subscriptions when it really won't.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-10-18 03:38:24 UTC
'cause CCP has made the mistake of listening to certain market-tendencies in the mmo world and attempt to apply those philosophies to eve before. If they thought they could pull off NEX store, there is also the chance they will think they can pull off making 99% of the population live in highsec cause its uber sapce and everyone makes love not war.


not saying ti would work, or that if they did it, it would last long, but theyve been known to experiment in directions they shouldnt have, then the playerbase says we told you so, then ccp has to lay off workers, etc etc etc.

honestly, wormholes here, so i couldnt give a flying **** about how safe they make highsec, i enjoy my no-local surprise pew pew i get every now and then.


anyways, yeah, people should let CCP expereriment, it will do them ebtter to try soemthing and realize it CANT work, then to just be told over and over agian it wont. If they implement a feature that enarly costs them the game, then any similar feature will throw up red flags for them, however if people just keep bitching and moaning, they will say fine, and come out with an idea thats different but similar in 6 motnhs. TL;DR let CCP make mistakes, they will elarn and grow more form them than endless forums full of bitchy.
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#5 - 2012-10-18 03:38:55 UTC
It'll change things up in Hi-Sec a bit.

Will make criminals/pirates have to look over their shoulders a bit. This makes sense to me. Worst case it forces them to fly something they are willing to lose in Hi-Sec until the kill-rights have been used up.

Buffed mining? I'm really not that bothered that Hi-Sec miners can just afk, but making mining ships harder to pop will hopefully be better everywhere else, making mining in low/null/WH less prohibitive. Making mining 'safer' in those other areas just might (if we're lucky) lead to more targets...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-18 03:46:38 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
honestly, wormholes here, so i couldnt give a flying **** about how safe they make highsec, i enjoy my no-local surprise pew pew i get every now and then.


It's easy to think that a safer hisec has no effect on the rest of the game - it does.

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Jim Era
#7 - 2012-10-18 04:03:21 UTC
for the lulz

Wat™
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-18 04:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: S'Way
I'd guess it's to increase sub numbers - to do that they need to cater to the average mmo player. Most of those players come from theme-park style mmo's where the culture is a risk-averse one with little in the way of death penalties and protection from scams / losing everything.

What they might not understand is that it's those very traits that made EvE what it is - there is / was no safety net for the stupid in it. (and space games are still after all these years somewhat of a niche market).
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#9 - 2012-10-18 04:11:44 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
for the lulz

wat? The ultimate troll?

They'll tell us it was all a psych experiment for Helmar's PhD on gullibility?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#10 - 2012-10-18 04:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Why would they? Because money is a powerful motivator.

That is not to say they will get that money; they're estimating that they will.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#11 - 2012-10-18 04:12:53 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
wat? The ultimate troll?

They'll tell us it was all a psych experiment for Helmar's PhD on gullibility?

"How long will people suffer through terrible PvE: A treatise".

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#12 - 2012-10-18 04:26:36 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Why would they? Because money is a powerful motivator.

That is not to say they will get that money; they're estimating that they will.

Yeah but I'm kinda doubtful they'd go about running a multi-million business without err... doing some pretty thorough market research. They must have some numbers - if you actually believe they have an agenda - seems like they are just cinching in some loose threads to me.


(I'm actually hoping this thread draws out some genuine un-biased POV too - and I know you're just a tad angry atm so allowances are being made - go make a cup-of-tea, have a lie-down and come back on it Blink)

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#13 - 2012-10-18 04:28:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
They seem to be under the belief that making hisec safer will bring more subscriptions when it really won't.

I don't think you actually believe that.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-10-18 04:39:06 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Andski wrote:
They seem to be under the belief that making hisec safer will bring more subscriptions when it really won't.

I don't think you actually believe that.


I don't believe that if it helps.

It really should because it's me Cool

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Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-18 04:40:58 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
PS: No side is being taken here either, I'm just really, really curious to know why people think CCP are "too stupid" for their own sake?


People posting in forums do not represent the player base as a whole. For every bitching whiner on the forums there are 50 people in the game just enjoying themselves.

Gamer forums are always a cesspit when it comes to updates. The next update is always the one that will finally kill any game. that has been true for every gamer forum ever, why wouldn't it be for EVE? EVE players are even quite tame in comparison to other comms... try reading the feedback to the upcoming Minecraft patch or the feedback for the recent update to Diablo 3 in their official forums, if you want to read some really brainmelting **** posts.


tl;dr: Who cares what some whiners say. Troll the **** out of their threads if you can garner some enjoyment from it, then move on. EVE is doing fine and it will continue to do so for quite some time.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#16 - 2012-10-18 04:44:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
honestly, wormholes here, so i couldnt give a flying **** about how safe they make highsec, i enjoy my no-local surprise pew pew i get every now and then.


It's easy to think that a safer hisec has no effect on the rest of the game - it does.

I just went away on this and came back to it because it's an interesting point.

It's a broad stroke to make and I'd be keen if you could summarise why, I can't honestly see where a threat exists with a "safer" highsec (note: not "safe highsec" - an entirely different animal).

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#17 - 2012-10-18 04:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
PS: No side is being taken here either, I'm just really, really curious to know why people think CCP are "too stupid" for their own sake?


People posting in forums do not represent the player base as a whole. For every bitching whiner on the forums there are 50 people in the game just enjoying themselves.

Gamer forums are always a cesspit when it comes to updates. The next update is always the one that will finally kill any game. that has been true for every gamer forum ever, why wouldn't it be for EVE? EVE players are even quite tame in comparison to other comms... try reading the feedback to the upcoming Minecraft patch or the feedback for the recent update to Diablo 3 in their official forums, if you want to read some really brainmelting **** posts.

Yeah. Good point. I'd like to think that the Eve player base is a little more intelligent or at the very least, a bit wiser perhaps to rely on such sledging to achieve outcomes. I always have a vision of the person at the other end of the line is in fact a real person.

Quote:

Troll the **** out of their threads if you can garner some enjoyment from it, then move on

I'm guilty. Twisted

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#18 - 2012-10-18 04:54:03 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

I'm guilty. Twisted


Haha, this is true, I've noticed you pop up on a lot of threads, provoking some great reactions Big smile
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#19 - 2012-10-18 04:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
They're catering for everyone. I don't see what people are whining about.

The new system will (eventually when the whiners get used to it) be better for everyone, it will make PvP infinitely less frustrating. No more logi station games. The bounty system is going to pay people to blow each other up (massive massive PvP buff), and because PvPers will be able to earn money paid by others they will have to PvE less and bring less ISK into the economy and therefore reduce inflation. The bounty system will sure as hell make nullbear life more interesting. Lets face it, most of the sov alliance will have sizeable bounties on them. You'll have people flying up just for the bounties. More things to shoot at makes me happy.

The highsec bears are happy and yet all the can flippers can now take from a can and bait ANYONE in system to shoot at them, how is that a nerf? All the people who think highsec is going to become less PvP orientated just aren't thinking. People with killrights and people with suspect flags will be blowing up left right and centre, and it's going to be fantastic.

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Tear Miner
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-10-18 05:05:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
honestly, wormholes here, so i couldnt give a flying **** about how safe they make highsec, i enjoy my no-local surprise pew pew i get every now and then.


It's easy to think that a safer hisec has no effect on the rest of the game - it does.


Nullbears and their tears are delicious.
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