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DON'T FLY A TENGU.. unless you are .......

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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-10-17 21:07:45 UTC
300 dps? jesus christ dude my over-tanked nighthawk with 1 bcu on it deals out 400, come on.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#42 - 2012-10-17 21:09:47 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
300 dps? jesus christ dude my over-tanked nighthawk with 1 bcu on it deals out 400, come on.

My destroyer practically does 300 dps!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-10-17 21:12:27 UTC
your skills are ****. train up, use EFT and play with your skills + changing affecting skills to see where you are lacking. go fly a drake in the mean time
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#44 - 2012-10-17 21:22:05 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?

Stop using certs. Learn to fit a ship and then train those skills specifically.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#45 - 2012-10-17 21:24:48 UTC
OMG DPS fits are multi box fits. They will have so many holes in them an Ibis could cost you the ship if you try and solo with it.

They also have very limited application but that will be true of any fit or hull you use when not farming missions.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#46 - 2012-10-17 21:30:54 UTC
Don't fly any ship unless you are appropriately skilled to fly it.
Jack Togenada
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-10-17 21:35:47 UTC
Brand new Tengu pilot here. I'm getting 750 or so DPS with tech 2 heavy missiles. All skills to 4.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-10-17 21:46:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield.
WELL!
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k.
Thats even worse than my Drake.
While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff.


SO HERE IS THE QUESTION!
What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it?

Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16



1st Strategic cruisers are NOT a "I win button" -if you look for that then you need -some- pirate ships.

2nd forget battleclinic and EFT ololilozboulzcrap theorycrafting. A TOP character skilled for Tengu has everything related at LVL5 !!
This means every single little crappy nasty dusty dirty skill at lvl5, has the optimized fitting and implants and a lot of lube for hard moments.

3rd stop reading nonsense from people not having a single clue what they're talking about because their cousin heard his friend girlfriend say'in her granma...and yada ya.

A top skilled character with fittings over 2billions, a pod over 1 billion can actually, this means ASAP, get out of his HM's Tengu 750 dps without heat and about 700m/s with B-type 10MN AB.

Now tell me how stupid are those when I can use a cloacky loki dishing about 600dps (with cloack sub, you got that one?) permanently run mwd+large shield booster while being cap stable?

I'll answer to you: one dishes decent dmg "from there" has a decent speed tank and T3 resist+lots of millions in tank, the other requires minimal fittings and liking the 'in your face' game play.

Crying moaners about Tengus are clearly ridiculous. They will always bring the 3B plus fighting with char using strong boosters+OGB+pirate implants and claim "look nany ot's op"....jesus christ, this community got really really downwards...

Got it?

brb
Crazy Nymphora
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-10-17 21:48:44 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?

I don't think you would need to fill all the certs just to have a PVE vessel. It only took me around 4 months to have enough skills for a 720DPS@92km, ~800 DPS tank, which should be enough for most L4 missions and C3 wormholes.
By the way, they are going to nerf that DPS and Range, about 10% DPS (worse on smaller targets because of explosion radius/velocity nerf) and about 60% range on Heavy Missiles, so if you want to go for Tengu maybe you would like to consider using Heavy Assault Missile instead, though they have very short range, so that may cause troubles and take you much longer to do missions.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-10-17 22:03:24 UTC
IMO nobody should even consider any T3 until they can completely T2 fit it. Guns tank etc.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#51 - 2012-10-17 22:04:56 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
It would be helpful to see your fit before we can tell you why you are bad.


Spaghetti came out of my nose
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-10-17 22:05:30 UTC
Herp, forgot to add the cloacky Proteus dishing 700dps with about 90K ehp or the uber gank prot with 1400dps and +400K EHP.

Ho's the idiot who said Tengu is OP? -it is not.

Also: thx for making my Tengu even better with next missiles revamp because if you try to get close enough to my capless missile launchers you'll still be getting in your face about 800dps without heat and about 30k physical EHP.

Thx very much for being idiots...Roll

brb
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#53 - 2012-10-17 22:09:34 UTC
Tengu is best for Sov and Wormholes.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#54 - 2012-10-17 22:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Don't get distracted by certificates! The certificates will insist on skills that add nothing to your HML performance (such as rockets, light missiles, assault missiles).

Make sure you're using the 6-launcher Accelerated Ejection Bay fitting. Then focus entirely on the skills that will improve missile damage or rate of fire (Heavy Missiles, Warhead Upgrades, Rapid Launch). Fit 6 T2 HMLs, 3 or 4 CN Ballistic Controls. The work on the missile support skills: guided missile precision etc.

Then work on your tank, starting with Acceleration Control, Navigation, Evasive Manoeuvres, and faction AB with T2 overdrive. Get all the Caldari Subsystems skills to 5.

You'll have a viable Tengu pilot in about three months, with another year or so to get that extra 20% of performance from a swathe of level 5 skills. Skills such as Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection will help overall, but won't impact your DPS or tank (well, except by letting you shoot from further away, which means you won't be taking as much damage, which means your existing tank will perform better).

edit: once you have HML spec 5, work on HAMs. HAMs and torpedoes are going to be amazing after the Retribution patch.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-10-17 22:18:39 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Don't get distracted by certificates! The certificates will insist on skills that add nothing to your HML performance (such as rockets, light missiles, assault missiles).

Make sure you're using the 6-launcher Accelerated Ejection Bay fitting. Then focus entirely on the skills that will improve missile damage or rate of fire (Heavy Missiles, Warhead Upgrades, Rapid Launch). Fit 6 T2 HMLs, 3 or 4 CN Ballistic Controls. The work on the missile support skills: guided missile precision etc.

Then work on your tank, starting with Acceleration Control, Navigation, Evasive Manoeuvres, and faction AB with T2 overdrive. Get all the Caldari Subsystems skills to 5.

You'll have a viable Tengu pilot in about three months, with another year or so to get that extra 20% of performance from a swathe of level 5 skills. Skills such as Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection will help overall, but won't impact your DPS or tank (well, except by letting you shoot from further away, which means you won't be taking as much damage, which means your existing tank will perform better).



This is the major difference in between Tengu and other T3 ships that regular populace doesn't understand. Tengu strength for a young pilot with average skills resides only and exclusively in this ship ability to shoot unbalanced missiles beyond reasonable ranges and add to it's physical tank speed tanking. Yes seems easier witch it is for random high sec lvl4's, it is not when you get to some DED and null complexes and witch is absolutely not enough when you even think about cleaning The Maze with, witch is only possible with extreme fittings+boosts and a dedicated top skilled character (read huge amount of effort witch is more than one year and not 3mths for lvl 4's)

brb
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#56 - 2012-10-18 00:14:44 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Well to be frank, unless you have good skills that go with any ship you fly, you will be crap. Look at recomended certs and use that as your plan, you will need others, but the certs will keep you busy for a while. Simple rule just beause you can fly a hull, does not mean you should. And if you have crap support skills on a hull, you are just flying the hull not using it.


Also, on an ship or mod question, you would get more help if you went to the ship mod forum.

So advice, learn the differance between flying a hull and using a hull. Big smile


To fill in all the certs on the CORE and Missiles and stuff will take me at least 2 more years Shocked
Is there a faster way around this?


Around 90-120 days, but you were close. Roll
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-10-18 00:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Ohaya
Ivy Romanova wrote:
As the titles says.
To be frank.. I think not...
I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm


Just because you can fit railguns on a Tengu doesn't mean you should.

Edit, but seriously if you can't fit T2 launchers and T2 BCUs then you should fly something else.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#58 - 2012-10-18 01:08:12 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:

Stop using certs. Learn to fit a ship and then train those skills specifically.

^^ This

I use EFT to fit something I CAN fly and port the skills list to Evemon and make them priority 1. (eg: drake PvE HM)

I then use EFT to fit what I WANT to fly, port the fit into EveMon and get the additional skills list and set to priority 2. (eg: Tengu PvE HM)

As long as they're the same type of ship this get's you flying, making money AND skilling in unison towards the ultimate goal.

Fit #1 is constantly improving as you're skilling for fit #2.

Btw, leave the 6 x T3 skills last. They will not improve fit #1.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-10-18 02:27:14 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
or the uber gank prot with 1400dps and +400K EHP.

Did you ever bother trying to achieve these numbers in EFT? Just... wow.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
#60 - 2012-10-18 03:08:32 UTC
OP is doing it wrong.
A mere 5B ISK will get you a nice Tengu with 600DPS output with a 3000DPS tank.

I suggest you train your skills and purchase the correct modules before complaining on the forums.