Jita Park Speakers Corner

That is kind of funny, CCP did design roids to only respawn for after downtime, which is a pita for me, since I can only log on at night, which means most roids will be gone, and will only respawn when its bed time. One of the main reasons I quit mining in the first place.

Ice is alright, but it is wierd, that it is always there and never runs out. Compared to other things in the game.

Yeah, not sure how much of the missing ore goes to risk , or CCPs love of one shard. I don't hate the one shard idea, its cool. But a lot of other games, have servers for different time zones making it more fair in a way for harvesters. Or they have respawning ore.

I would prefer more of a new mechanism off all the time zones that play this game, rather then a blanket respawn ore but who knows.

Yeah lots of buffs indeed. I always thought logistics would help mining out a lot, and with the huge cargo bays, it almost did that. But with most roids gone, if you don't log in early, more extreme logistics is needed to counter it or so.

Take me a while SP wise to be able to counter or build enough logistics, be fun when its built but will just take a long time.

Devaluing Mining as a Profession

Yup!!! That looks really great for new players who think they want to be miners...

I'd like to note these guys can't be touched by smartbombs, either, due to anchored containers.

Less risk. Easier to bot. Less engaging. Everything miners wanted but you claimed they didn't, Issler.

But what miners really want is not good for Eve. That might be tragic, I guess, but that tragedy does not make it untrue.

Have you noticed you are pretty much the only person in this thread. There is no giant gathering of miners complaining about what you claim is bad for them. I expect you aren't a miner and just want to troll because you now find it harder to harass miners.

As to the REAL comment you made about belt depletion. CCP has discussed changing the spawning process from the "over down time" thing we have now to a dynamic spawn like grav sites since I was in CSM 2. I am hoping we see that as part of the larger mining changes that are in plan now.

Issler

I find Darth Gustav's ranting hilariously sad.


I have only been in the game a couple years now. I have not experienced every aspect of eve, but I have experienced a lot. I have mined (and still do). I have lived in wormholes. I have stealthily passed gate camps in 0.0, and ratted (and even stealthily mined in lowsec). I have participated in wormhole take overs taking down towers and carriers in the process. Before I continue my comments on yours, it gives you an idea of where I've been.

I will agree with aspects of what you say. Yes the new changes to mining barges do nothing to prevent bots, and may even make the problem worse, but from what I have seen the changes were never about fixing "that" problem. The changes were specifically aimed to rebalance the ships against newly created T3 battlecruisers and the rebalancing of combat ships. Since they had entered the game it became increasingly easier for gankers to take down a mining ship in high security space before getting taken out themselves. ganker loses 200k ship and the miner looses a 200M+ ship. The changes to the mining ships force the gankers to use bigger ships with more dps meaning they suffer a bigger loss too. That is call rebalancing, and I for one thought it was great.

Mining's plateau. You're right in the sense that once you hit X things plateau off. Can you say that isn't the same with mission running? I mean I can sit in a dominix throw out 5 ogre IIs and just let them run through some of the toughest level 4 missions. Is that not just as much of a plateau as mining? Sure it took me a little while longer to get there, but that's just how eve is. Eventually every one plateaus. Alliance mate has 100M SP, tell me he hasn't plateaued?

Most of the people I know who mine. Not the bots I don't know any bots. People who I mine with or have mined with in the past LOVE the new changes to the barges an exhumers. They mine because they enjoy being the backbone of the economy, they love building ships and selling ships. The same ships that you and your friends use to blob out in null, or run mission in hs or gank ships passing through low sec.

If there were truly a problem with mining more people would be complaining about it.

Have you ever PVP mined? You probably don't think it exists. Finding that precious jaspet grav, getting to it first, having another miner find it after, then calling in your fleet to help you wipe out the belt, and them calling their fleet to try to get as much as possible. Calling in frigs to bump the other miners out of range. I have done it, when I was in a lowly retriever, and it was one of the funnest nights in my young eve life.

Would it be nice if mining were more "interesting" sure, but some nights, I just want to come on, and chat with corp mates and alliance mates and not fly around having to complete missions, which at times I find more boring than mining.

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Something I just thought of. In your mindset you see getting into a Mack or a Hulk as a plateau. While it is, the miner is now free to explore other areas of being an industrialist. Getting into an Orca for his corp mates, doing invention on bpos. Mining is just a beginning to a greater cause in the industrialists life.

Sure I can do that. Prior to "Permageddon", the constant ganking of mining vessels that was sponsored by Goonswarm, miners were able to add mods to make their cargo capacity bigger Hulk got around 17K m3 if I remember correctly. In order to give the mining vessels similar part of the rebalance was to give them the ore bay freeing up rigs and slots for defensive rigs and mods.

And now you're going to complain that the bay is twice what it was, and that's where I say CCP gave the miners something nice, it's been a LONG time since CCP has paid attention to miners and mining so they did something for the miners. They give you T3 Battle cruisers, they give miners a little more capacity.

Stop whining, it's just more isk on the killboard when you do gank one.

I was gonna say a logistical one. But I saw your later post, and you got issues dude. So many issues only a mackinaw can carry them safely to a psychiatric station.

What about the 15k miners who would have become miners in the future but prices were so low for the goods it was pointless? Do you think they should be forced to do something else, when what they wanted to do was mine?

Issler's right about this: The market works.

Do you count those subs who quit because mining is devalued to pointlessness as pros or cons?

I have only encountered hi sec PI to be totally worthless, but mining full time as some of the mineral prices have been, have pretty much been useless as well.

I mostly see it as full time mining with like one or two accounts, could be worthless, but fun still part time or if you produce stuff.

But at the level of things not working well, you seem to focus on. Lots of other professions break down as well. Like BPO research, the material research is overly popular, and take up all the station slots, as well as some people already had time to research great BPOs so harder to get into and still make decent ISK. Also hi sec exploration is pretty much worse then hi sec mining and perhaps PI as well. Then the buffs to exploration frigs, is gonna make it worse, probably. You could even bring in moon mining, and how little moons, people can actually get. Also faction tags, are pretty hard to obtain and be worth it , unless perhaps you have a vargur or tengu and can breeze missions to recover rep. Salvaging sometimes, anyone is allowed to take your salvage, but if you trained for it, be kind of annoying or prices plummeting sometimes, or how certain races have better salvage.

I'm still trying to figure how you think mining could be more interesting? I mean it's rock you break it down and bring it to be refined. What much more do you want from it?