These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Tengu vs Legion

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Cadrei Ishikela
Guatemalan Coca Plant Farmers
#1 - 2012-10-16 16:42:45 UTC
I am mainly a Amarr Pilot. but I am looking for a new pve/pvp boat. I am very high Skilled in both caldari missiles and Amarr Lasers. And equal distance from the tengu and legion. but I can't decide what i want.

I know the Tengu is great for pve
but at the same time the Legion is great for PvP
I don't know truthfully what to get.
Any help?
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#2 - 2012-10-16 16:44:15 UTC
Tengu. You don't hear too much about Legions these days. Smile

MinerBumping.com
Cadrei Ishikela
Guatemalan Coca Plant Farmers
#3 - 2012-10-16 16:45:23 UTC
Why not?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2012-10-16 16:47:08 UTC
Because it sucks.

Oh god.
Alesha Bau
MyEmploymentHistoryGivesMeCancer
#5 - 2012-10-16 16:48:45 UTC
Legion is fine and a great ship it's just that the Loki and Tengu are simply better not by much but better, Legion vs the proteus is the real question imo.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#6 - 2012-10-16 16:49:11 UTC
Cadrei Ishikela wrote:
Why not?


Tengu is superior in damage projection, and quickness, and speed, which makes it superior in PvE.
Legion is designed as a close in-brawler, but most PVP squads, especially roaming squads, prize mobility and damage projection over DPS close in.

Same reason drone boats are not considered top end PvP ships.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2012-10-16 16:50:14 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Denuo Secus
#8 - 2012-10-16 18:40:47 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Cadrei Ishikela wrote:
Why not?


Tengu is superior in damage projection, and quickness, and speed, which makes it superior in PvE.
Legion is designed as a close in-brawler, but most PVP squads, especially roaming squads, prize mobility and damage projection over DPS close in.

Same reason drone boats are not considered top end PvP ships.


Like any laser ship the Legion has a really good damage projection. It's more or less a tanky Zealot. Good for close and medium range. In my experience, medium range flexibility is what matters - at least in very small scale PvP. I think the Legion has 3 issues which makes it a worse choice some times:

- slow and not agile when tanked
- poor DPS when cloaky fitted
- not that much better compared to the T2 options Amarr has. Zealot and Curse are very good ships, the Legion isn't much better or different. Oracle for even better projection. Abso for medium sized gank&tank. Still, I think it can be an interesting ship if you need a bit of all this combined in one hull. 40km pulse + 1-2 bonused medium neut as close range flexibility + almost BS sized tank.

As soon as armor logistic comes into play the Legion is top notch. Also it's quite good for gate camps since it can fit a scan res subsystem. Tengu doesn't have such a thing.
Pillan
TC Corbina
#9 - 2012-10-16 19:25:05 UTC
100mn legion with ham so you can choose damage type is viable. At the end it depends on how effective you can play it. Thats for pvp. At pve legion on amarr space is better used it for few months .
Kynlif Eldflaugum
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-10-16 19:56:53 UTC
I used to fly a legion too, but then I took an arrow to the knee
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2012-10-16 20:03:14 UTC
Don't fly a legion, they are both expensive and not very good. Tengus are great for everything.
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#12 - 2012-10-16 20:50:11 UTC
Seems lots of people assume Legions to suck because you might as well use one of the tech 2 cruisers. But for instance a HAM Legion can be completely awesome.

Tengu on the other hand, and Caldari in general is very different. What you get is pure-win-mobiles like the Falcon and Tengu, combined with not so good stuff such as the Eagle (Have you even seen this ship in game?), the Cerberus (needs blingfit to be good but doesn't have the survivability to warrant such pimping), the Onyx (it's okey, but rarely used) and Rook. The reason a Tengu is good isn't actually it's damage as much as it is it's survivability and GTFO factor for the times you end up needing it, this allows you to pimp it out with insane damage and still survive.

Amarr on the other hand has an awesome lineup of T2 Cruisers, Curse (RUN), Pilgrim (Too late to run), Zealot (Should've ran before you died) and the Sacriledge (Didn't think I'd be all that hard to kill did ya?) there isn't much need or rush to push yourself in to a Legion as fast as humanly possible the way it is with a Tengu.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#13 - 2012-10-17 00:10:04 UTC
Nihil Nobilitae wrote:
Seems lots of people assume Legions to suck because you might as well use one of the tech 2 cruisers. But for instance a HAM Legion can be completely awesome.

Tengu on the other hand, and Caldari in general is very different. What you get is pure-win-mobiles like the Falcon and Tengu, combined with not so good stuff such as the Eagle (Have you even seen this ship in game?), the Cerberus (needs blingfit to be good but doesn't have the survivability to warrant such pimping), the Onyx (it's okey, but rarely used) and Rook. The reason a Tengu is good isn't actually it's damage as much as it is it's survivability and GTFO factor for the times you end up needing it, this allows you to pimp it out with insane damage and still survive.

Amarr on the other hand has an awesome lineup of T2 Cruisers, Curse (RUN), Pilgrim (Too late to run), Zealot (Should've ran before you died) and the Sacriledge (Didn't think I'd be all that hard to kill did ya?) there isn't much need or rush to push yourself in to a Legion as fast as humanly possible the way it is with a Tengu.




.... so you go into a sideline about your opinion on other Amarr ships, and other Caldari ships, but don't actually give your opinion on their question. o.0


To the OP, I love my Legion, but the sad fact (imho) is the Tengu is as good if not better in almost every role. Keep in mind that eventually, they plan on making a pass at T3's. So I personally say go with the theme you like, and enjoy. They are both effective.

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#14 - 2012-10-17 00:23:23 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:

.... so you go into a sideline about your opinion on other Amarr ships, and other Caldari ships, but don't actually give your opinion on their question. o.0


To the OP, I love my Legion, but the sad fact (imho) is the Tengu is as good if not better in almost every role. Keep in mind that eventually, they plan on making a pass at T3's. So I personally say go with the theme you like, and enjoy. They are both effective.

~Z


He didn't answer the question in the OP, but he did correct a common misconception brought up in the thread. People continually said that the Legion is terrible, and that the Tengu wasn't. That's not true, it's simply a matter of comparison to T2 ships. The Tengu greatly beats out anything comparable. The Legion on the other hand, doesn't. Going into expensive Caldari ships, your only real choice is the Tengu, whereas for the Amarr side, you aren't forced to pick up a Legion. The Legion is good, but it doesn't completely eclipse most of the other choice.

Personally, I can't help. I don't know enough. But I do know that the Legion isn't bad, it's just not the day to the T2's night.
Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-10-17 00:29:15 UTC
I love my Legion, don't train for 1 ship though, train the route that gives you the most options (t2 wise)

Or train them both
Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
Ghosts from the Abyss
#16 - 2012-10-17 00:49:40 UTC
A lot of people go on and on about how great the tengu is for PvE. What they really mean is for missions and some exploring. I can tell you for a certainty every other t3 is a better choice for incursion running. And really none better then the Legion, though a web Loki is pretty nice to have in a fleet. Insta DPS, cause it actually matters in incursions, great buffer tank, great projection with scorch. So define your PvE and we'll be able to help you a lot more effectively. If you want to run missions by all means the Tengu isn't a poor choice. I personally think everyone who run's level 4 missions would be better off in an appropriate battleship but to each his own.

If your just looking for isk I'd go either exploration or incursions and make your choice from that, rather than blanket PvE. If your doing PvE to finance PvP like I just got done doing, incursions are the way I would go. Get logi 5 and rake in the isk. No mission ship has made isk for me like my guardian has.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-10-17 01:27:23 UTC
Quote:
but at the same time the Legion is great for PvP


sorry, but it really isnt.

unless you need a dedicated T3 neuting ship or an armour fleet booster, then all other T3s are better than a legion in every way.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-10-17 19:39:05 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Because it sucks.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#19 - 2012-10-17 21:09:37 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:

.... so you go into a sideline about your opinion on other Amarr ships, and other Caldari ships, but don't actually give your opinion on their question. o.0


To the OP, I love my Legion, but the sad fact (imho) is the Tengu is as good if not better in almost every role. Keep in mind that eventually, they plan on making a pass at T3's. So I personally say go with the theme you like, and enjoy. They are both effective.

~Z


It's not really a one size fits all thing. But if I had to choose one of the ships mentioned for both PVE and PVP and stick to it, it would actually be the Pilgrim because of the insane amounts of Isk you can make solo exploring in one combined with the PVP effectiveness.

For PVE only Tengu, but since I prefer mine HAMGu a Legion should be able to do the same job.

For PVP, Curse or Zealot over either any day.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#20 - 2012-10-18 09:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Yeah, the issue with the Legion is not so much that its 'bad', the issue is that it doesnt do the things the T2 version do, that much better.

The Loki is a fantastic armour boat with Dual webs and ~600 DPS with a stiff buffer tank, it also fills the large fleet role as a dedicated webbing ship. The arty/plate/web fit is also very nice in ABHAC gangs, finally it can act as a really pimp vaga.

The Tengu is a kiting monster, its EWAR bonuses are fairly rarely used, although it is probably the best all round T3, mainly due to its ability to escape from most things it cannot fight and its MASSIVE projection and tank.

The Proteus does awesome CR DPS, has fantastic bonused tackle and mounts a huge tank.

The Legion has ok DPS, ok projection, relatively poor manueverability and speed, its EWAR bonus is overshadowed by the Curse, which gains a range as well as amount bonus, however it can mount a strong tank, this really relegates it to being a very tanky Zealot/Pilgrim.

Thats the issue, Legion is good, but it has nothing that makes it much better than the T2 variants.
12Next page