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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#181 - 2012-10-17 02:37:52 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:


Why bother ganking for profit?


Did not bother to read rest of post, answer is because profit can be made while ganking.

The question was more why bother ganking for profit when you know profit is not there to be made.

Why - because It's easier to whine about it than actually do a gank that DOES have profit or just cough up and say it's fun.

Nope, it's gotta be a miner apparently (they want it solo and easymode). The only thing they haven't asked for yet is which miner, what belt and what time they would like him to be there.

But give it time. That's probably another thread when they finally work out they're just blowing hot air.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#182 - 2012-10-17 05:33:04 UTC
Let me state this again for those that tend to spread misinformation.
A max yield fit Mack can be ganked in high sec by a single cat destroyer profitably.

And most Macks are max yield fit. I see no problem with this. Nothing needs to be changed.
Just quit complaining and get out there and gank them. If your gank fails it is because you are not doing the gank right.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#183 - 2012-10-17 15:58:37 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
Sorry, I thought this was another "mining ships are OP/why am I still getting ganked" thread.

Instead, it's a "swallow a dictionary and activate the double talk generator" thread.

Stupid me.


You seem to be laboring under a misapprehension, I would actually like it if Baltec's changes were implemented. I'm attempting to reason why there's not much chance CCP would ever do that. I enjoy mining, but I'm in a wormhole so personally Baltec's proposed solution is optimal for me. If you think I've swallowed a dictonary and am double talking, by all means, supply a better explanation for the way things are.



Perhaps. Wouldn't be the first time that I've misinterpreted what someone has said. Most likely will not be the last.

However, I've read through your posts on this thread several times trying to figure out just what the heck you are saying.

I'm fairly certain that I have not seen the statement.....

Quote:
there's not much chance CCP would ever do that


save in your last post.

How about just saying "I don't think there's much of a chance that CCP would ever do that" or is it your goal to clearly set yourself above the unwashed illiterate masses. Thank you for shutting off the double talk generator and regurgitating the dictionary.

Carry on.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2012-10-17 16:37:52 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Let me state this again for those that tend to spread misinformation.
A max yield fit Mack can be ganked in high sec by a single cat destroyer profitably.

And most Macks are max yield fit. I see no problem with this. Nothing needs to be changed.
Just quit complaining and get out there and gank them. If your gank fails it is because you are not doing the gank right.


This is a falsehood, those aren't appreciated here maybe you should go post on en24.

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Imports Plus
Doomheim
#185 - 2012-10-17 17:16:10 UTC
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#186 - 2012-10-17 17:28:28 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Let me state this again for those that tend to spread misinformation.
A max yield fit Mack can be ganked in high sec by a single cat destroyer profitably.
A 1k DPS destroyer would be quite costly to employ in a suicide gank, so no, not really.

Or, well… yes, if you want to spread misinformation, saying that they can be ganked is a good one to start with.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2012-10-17 17:35:07 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
You STILL posting on your 0.0 alt and not on your highsec FW, indy, mining alt.

Yes, I am. And?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Powers Sa
#188 - 2012-10-17 22:18:46 UTC
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#189 - 2012-10-17 22:23:49 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I'm not a highsec ganker.... and I'll admit I occasionally mine in highsec on my indy alt....

It's 100% about risk vs reward. I fit a decent tank on my exhumer, and have never lost it despite half a dozen attempts on it (although I definitely would have if I didn't tank it!). If you can mine safely, without tanking it... good for you....

If you really accept the risk when NOT tanking your ship, then you won't whine and cry and complain about OP suicide gankers if you are ganked, because you'll realize it was your choices that enabled them to gank you!



Yup. My point exactly.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#190 - 2012-10-17 22:25:55 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:


Nope, it's gotta be a miner apparently (they want it solo and easymode). The only thing they haven't asked for yet is which miner, what belt and what time they would like him to be there.




.....or something like that Star Trek:OS episode where they have a fake 'war' and people simply voluntarily step into a 'disintegration machine'. Big smile

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Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#191 - 2012-10-17 22:34:49 UTC
Random McNally wrote:


How about just saying "I don't think there's much of a chance that CCP would ever do that" or is it your goal to clearly set yourself above the unwashed illiterate masses. Thank you for shutting off the double talk generator and regurgitating the dictionary.


Post #166 in this thread, I used 'CCP' five times, explaining their actions. I'm sorry if that constitutes 'double talk' in your books, but it seemed pretty dang clear to me. Perhaps it's time for you to swallow the dictionary I just regurgitated?
Herr Hammer Draken
#192 - 2012-10-18 08:22:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Let me state this again for those that tend to spread misinformation.
A max yield fit Mack can be ganked in high sec by a single cat destroyer profitably.
A 1k DPS destroyer would be quite costly to employ in a suicide gank, so no, not really.

Or, well… yes, if you want to spread misinformation, saying that they can be ganked is a good one to start with.


Nope it only takes 600dps to kill a max yield Mack in high sec. So yes really. Or you are doing it wrong.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Herr Hammer Draken
#193 - 2012-10-18 08:25:17 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Let me state this again for those that tend to spread misinformation.
A max yield fit Mack can be ganked in high sec by a single cat destroyer profitably.

And most Macks are max yield fit. I see no problem with this. Nothing needs to be changed.
Just quit complaining and get out there and gank them. If your gank fails it is because you are not doing the gank right.


This is a falsehood, those aren't appreciated here maybe you should go post on en24.


Its you that posts the false hoods.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#194 - 2012-10-18 09:17:33 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Nope it only takes 600dps to kill a max yield Mack in high sec.
So… how much damage would said destroyer be able to deliver in, say, 20 seconds?

I sure hope it's more than 20–25k…
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2012-10-18 09:47:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Nope it only takes 600dps to kill a max yield Mack in high sec.
So… how much damage would said destroyer be able to deliver in, say, 20 seconds?

I sure hope it's more than 20–25k…


This Mackinaw was killed by 2 Catalysts. The Mackinaw took a total of 8326 damage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14907709
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-10-18 09:50:40 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Nope it only takes 600dps to kill a max yield Mack in high sec.
So… how much damage would said destroyer be able to deliver in, say, 20 seconds?

I sure hope it's more than 20–25k…


This Mackinaw was killed by 2 Catalysts. The Mackinaw took a total of 8326 damage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14907709

That's raw HP, not EHP. Add resists calculations to that figure.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#197 - 2012-10-18 09:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
This Mackinaw was killed by 2 Catalysts. The Mackinaw took a total of 8326 damage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14907709
So two, not one, and we're looking at a historically inaccurate measurement of HP rather than EHP and end up ~20% short of full HP. That would give us a guesstimated EHP of maybe 16-18k, which would explain why two of them were needed.

…and that's with some tank left of the hangar floor.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#198 - 2012-10-18 09:55:39 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Nope it only takes 600dps to kill a max yield Mack in high sec.
So… how much damage would said destroyer be able to deliver in, say, 20 seconds?

I sure hope it's more than 20–25k…


This Mackinaw was killed by 2 Catalysts. The Mackinaw took a total of 8326 damage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14907709


Let me tell you about the difference between "EHP" and "actual hit points".

Hint: Macks dont have 0% resists.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2012-10-18 10:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Malcanis wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Nope it only takes 600dps to kill a max yield Mack in high sec.
So… how much damage would said destroyer be able to deliver in, say, 20 seconds?

I sure hope it's more than 20–25k…


This Mackinaw was killed by 2 Catalysts. The Mackinaw took a total of 8326 damage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14907709


Let me tell you about the difference between "EHP" and "actual hit points".

Hint: Macks dont have 0% resists.

I don't know, man. All I know is that Effective HP are not actual HP. And that the killmail says total damage taken. If that's not what actually happened, then boo on the killmail system.

I never argued that one catalyst could take out an untanked Mackinaw. But if two can, then it's certainly not all doom and gloom (as I expected) in the miner ganking department.

All CCP has to do is start creating deadspace mining mods, and the yield junkies will start equipping it, and miner ganking becomes profitable again.


If you have the URL to the MiniLuv killboard, you can go check out a good 40-50 Macks and Retrievers ganked over the last two days. It's interesting going through the kills. Miners are dumb.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#200 - 2012-10-18 10:54:35 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

I don't know, man. All I know is that Effective HP are not actual HP. And that the killmail says total damage taken. If that's not what actually happened, then boo on the killmail system.


Killmails are horrid for giving amounts tanked and damage delt.