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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#21 - 2012-10-17 00:45:46 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Andski wrote:
Why wouldn't they have a PLEX fee? It obviously helps CCP with covering costs and it ensures that the teams that enter are somewhat serious about participating.
And the costs aren't huge ... a pittance compared to annual expenditures.

And why not take the entrance fee plex and insert it back into the tournament as prizes? $10K is piddly, but by adding all the entrance fee plex, you at least double the prize money (in essence).

How much do you think it costs to run this tournament? If not $10k, what do you think would be fair?

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Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-10-17 02:58:39 UTC
So your mad that the game is using PLEX as an entrance fee, becuase why again? Is it becuase it will perhaps it will raise the price of plex. If you think it will raise the price then you should buy some now and sell them for a profit.
But hey its easier to complain on a forum right?

As for me i am looking forward to the tourny.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-10-17 03:25:12 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I am going to learn to bake!


Me too! *\o/*

I've found the whites in farm fresh brown eggs aren't as fluffy as the whites in commercial white eggs from large producers. The yokes are little bit different as well. The farm fresh brown eggs have a deeper yellow colored yoke while the commercial white eggs have a lighter yellow yoke. Some people claim they can even taste a difference between the two eggs. However, detecting a difference in flavor between the two is beyond me.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#24 - 2012-10-17 03:32:32 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I am going to learn to bake!


Me too! *\o/*

I've found the whites in farm fresh brown eggs aren't as fluffy as the whites in commercial white eggs from large producers. The yokes are little bit different as well. The farm fresh brown eggs have a deeper yellow colored yoke while the commercial white eggs have a lighter yellow yoke. Some people claim they can even taste a difference between the two eggs. However, detecting a difference in flavor between the two is beyond me.

+1 eggcellent post, no yoke!

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#25 - 2012-10-17 03:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Well, for what it's worth, I want, and will have absolutely nothing to do with this:

This just stinks of rot and the usual CCP-tacitly-approved (if not abetted outright) corruption and rigging on so many levels to me, it's not even funny.

I could be wrong --hope so, actually-- but, yeah...Ugh

Ni.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-10-17 05:20:46 UTC
Imawuss wrote:
So your mad that the game is using PLEX as an entrance fee, becuase why again? Is it becuase it will perhaps it will raise the price of plex. If you think it will raise the price then you should buy some now and sell them for a profit.
Thanks for reading.

The plex fee is fine. CCP using the plex to fund the tourney is not fine. Putting the plex fee back into the tournament as prizes would be fantastic.

The tourney doesn't cost that much, in the first place. CCP should be writing off the expense as a marketing cost, not forcing the players to fund the damned thing.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-10-17 05:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Poetic Stanziel wrote:


The tourney doesn't cost that much, in the first place. CCP should be writing off the expense as a marketing cost, not forcing the players to fund the damned thing.



Actually amid your infantile bawling you've made a mistake, it does cost them that much in time and resources, and those of us who've been playing for a while remember when the tournaments went away for a while because of funding issues.

So if CCP feel they need to charge plexes and we get tournaments out of it I don't feel its a big deal, sorry that you do.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#28 - 2012-10-17 06:39:01 UTC
If anything, I can see this being a start of EVE e-sports, something that might be rough this first time around, and may seem unfair with the PLEX buy in etc (which I can sorta agree on) but at the same time it could be done very poorly and become a laughing joke - at which point I don't think we will see this happen again.

Making EVE an e-sport, good or bad? I don't know, it could attract more people to bring out that "elite" pvp perhaps? It could become an influx of people just in it for the money and with what all that entails, the worry would if so be (from my view) that the whole game becomes e-sports focus instead of the sandbox GAME I enjoy to play to relax.

As for costs, I have no idea if they are justified or not since I have absolutely no insight in what the time, resources, effort cost CCP and its employees. All I know is that looking back at the AT I'm amazed on how it was held, and the effort people put in, volunteers, CCP'ers and others.

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D4mane
Wazan Tme Inc.
Corelum Syndicate
#29 - 2012-10-17 06:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: D4mane
I guess the OP is not familiar with the eSport scene? Starcraft2 is what I watch most. Google Major League Gaming or Gomtv GSL, Dreamhack, Asus ROG...

This is just the beginning of something really good if it all goes well.

The difference with EVE is that you need also the time to train the actual ingame skills as well as the traditional knowhow, as opposed to Starcraft where you need fast fingers and a lot of practice, so there is a entry level barrier in EVE that you don't have in other games.

Can you catch the irony here:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/boycott.html
It would be a LOL worthy event....
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-10-17 07:04:04 UTC
D4mane wrote:
I guess the OP is not familiar with the eSport scene? Starcraft2 is what I watch most. Google Major League Gaming or Gomtv GSL, Dreamhack, Asus ROG...
Do these eSports expect the players to fund the cost of the event through entry fees?
Matt Grav
Wrath of the Pea
#31 - 2012-10-17 08:13:12 UTC
I don't know about eSports but every sporting competition that I've entered has charged entry fees of £20 to £50. So I think it's entirely usual for the participants/players to fund the cost of the events.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-17 08:15:59 UTC
OP clearly needs to calm down over other people's business.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#33 - 2012-10-17 08:33:51 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The plex fee is fine. CCP using the plex to fund the tourney is not fine. Putting the plex fee back into the tournament as prizes would be fantastic.


I would prefer that tournaments are funded by the people intending to compete or spectate in the tournament, rather than the people who have no involvement nor interest in the tournament. Of course if the tournament organisers want to charge a PLEX for a HD feed, I wouldn't complain about that either.

I would prefer that the money I'm pumping into the game go towards the activities I am participating in or people who matter to me are participating in: walking in stations, POS management, research & manufacturing UI, corporation management, mining, exploration, and flying in space.

Can you explain to me how having my subscriptions contributing towards someone else's eSport tournament fame makes my game better? Perhaps it's a bizarre form of marketing where we sell people an image of the game which bears no relation at all to what actually happens in game, purely for the sake of driving up new subscriptions, with no regard for the subscriptions dying after three months because what people end up playing is nothing like what they saw advertised on that HD tournament feed.

Is this the EVE you know: equally balanced sides meet in space, adhering to strict rules about fleet composition, use of ECM/Logistics, starting points, limits to engagement distances and time limits on round completion? That's not the EVE I know.

I fully support CCP collecting extra funds to support this tournament. That shows that they are serious about sourcing the funding to run this show properly. I have on many occasions suggested that CCP should raise money for new projects by asking players to surrender PLEX. I like this CCP (I would like the CCP that raises funds for “emoting in stations” through PLEX surrender too! hint, hint)

For the record, I probably would buy an HD feed subscription.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-10-17 09:16:44 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Can you explain to me how having my subscriptions contributing towards someone else's eSport tournament fame makes my game better?
It's advertising ... which potentially draws new subscribers.

Why should players have to directly fund advertising for the game?

(Sure, our subs indirectly go towards advertising, but our subs go towards a lot of different expenditures.)
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#35 - 2012-10-17 09:18:13 UTC
No.

The Tourny must go on! ^_^

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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#36 - 2012-10-17 09:44:43 UTC
WilliamMays wrote:
The bigger purpose of having the plex entry fee is to weed out "less-than-serious" players. If there were no entry fee at all, there would be a lot of no-show teams, and even more weak teams that would get steamrolled.

Your attempt at putting a team together (very similar to my corp's attempt) is a perfect example; if there were no entry fee, you would very likely show up with 8 characters, of questionable skills, in a decent setup and get crushed by the real teams. These real teams focus their skills, ship setups, and team training time on these tournaments; they are infinitely better than the hodgepodge groups that would enter for free.

CCP is putting us on a big stage, the want competitive matches that can show the world what eve can be.

This is laughable. The world will not be watching. The alliance tournaments are boring viewing even if you understand what is going on. For the average non-player it's just a bunch of meaningless pixels and a couple of **** getting excited about it. No-one outside of Eve cares about our precious internet spaceships.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#37 - 2012-10-17 09:50:06 UTC
F'elch wrote:
This is laughable. The world will not be watching. The alliance tournaments are boring viewing even if you understand what is going on. For the average non-player it's just a bunch of meaningless pixels and a couple of **** getting excited about it. No-one outside of Eve cares about our precious internet spaceships.

Isn't that the same as any other game though? Can't really say I understand much of a SC2 match, and generally I don't watch it either, same can be said for just about any other game or even real life event, if I am not interested I'm not watching.

And noone probably cared about the first SC2 matches either until it picked up. A good event regardless of its content will be watched by people, I think the general "look what I am streaming" has showed up that in the past years.

/c

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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#38 - 2012-10-17 10:02:30 UTC
Chribba wrote:
F'elch wrote:
This is laughable. The world will not be watching. The alliance tournaments are boring viewing even if you understand what is going on. For the average non-player it's just a bunch of meaningless pixels and a couple of **** getting excited about it. No-one outside of Eve cares about our precious internet spaceships.

Isn't that the same as any other game though? Can't really say I understand much of a SC2 match, and generally I don't watch it either, same can be said for just about any other game or even real life event, if I am not interested I'm not watching.

And noone probably cared about the first SC2 matches either until it picked up. A good event regardless of its content will be watched by people, I think the general "look what I am streaming" has showed up that in the past years.

/c

I don't even know what SC2 is... But basically, you're agreeing with me?

It is not even that interesting watching a battle when you are actually in the game. Oh yeah, a few crosses, they're drones... Hmm, missile trails, they look nice... Oh look an explosion, someone died. Who was shooting at who? Who knows! (Who cares?)

The nature of Eve combat also means that you just get everyone concentrating fire on a single target then switching targets after it explodes. Over and over again. The tactics of a fight are only truly apparent to those involved. To a spectator it's dreary, repetitive, inaccessible nonsense.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-10-17 10:06:28 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Andski wrote:
Why wouldn't they have a PLEX fee? It obviously helps CCP with covering costs and it ensures that the teams that enter are somewhat serious about participating.
And the costs aren't huge ... a pittance compared to annual expenditures


How do you know what the costs are? Essentially you're arguing from ignorance.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-10-17 10:56:05 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Andski wrote:
Why wouldn't they have a PLEX fee? It obviously helps CCP with covering costs and it ensures that the teams that enter are somewhat serious about participating.
And the costs aren't huge ... a pittance compared to annual expenditures

How do you know what the costs are? Essentially you're arguing from ignorance.
I'd imagine the cost to run a tournament on the order of $10K-20K. Employee overtime. Production costs.