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SS vs WiS, which one are you?

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#61 - 2012-10-17 05:17:31 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
So far I count a 2-1 ratio in favour of CQ/WiS. With just as many people saying they use both or neither as their are ship spinners.
And that's why I'm glad when issues do rise up, it's not just from the regular forum posters helping CCP make development decisions. Now if this were a year or two ago when WiS was an issue that everyone knew about, and a majority of players rang in with their opinions and concerns, well that's just more true to life.

*posts in yet another WiS debate that most are dead tired of and don't care even to read/post. Statistics of this thread mean nothing.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#62 - 2012-10-17 05:19:50 UTC
I live down in BFE {UnableToComputeDistance} jumps from empire space, so neither for me most of the time. When I do make it back to my home base rather than docking for 3 minutes to pick up supplies, you will find me watching TV on my couch.
Pierced Brosmen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-10-17 06:22:27 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Which are you?

Ship Spinning?

or

Walking around in your Captain's Quarters?

POS spinning. Mostly due to lack of alternatives
Aragoni
Black Talon Command
#64 - 2012-10-17 06:31:01 UTC
Shipspinning like a baws!
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#65 - 2012-10-17 06:32:54 UTC
CQ, but every time I see only a single room with no option to leave said room it makes me a bit sad.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#66 - 2012-10-17 06:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorn Galen
What is this CQ you speak of ? Twisted

I like chocolate and vanilla but my favourite is a Quafe slushy. They only serve those in the Planet Cafe around the corner from my quarters. At least they have Erotic Dancers, but there's always a bunch of Caldari Militants hanging around as well. My mates and I have a good game of poker when we get together in my quarters. I often go out to the Security Office at the station to see if I can find a task to do, such as finding a pack of wild slavering dogs somewhere in the station. The rewards are reasonable and keeps food on my plate (or paste in my tube when I'm in my pod). One of the best things at the station is the fleamarket run by other pilots. It's good to stretch my legs when I walk around to all the vendors, look at their wares and have a chat.

But none of the above is possible yet, WiS is all smoke and mirrors at the moment.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#67 - 2012-10-17 07:01:52 UTC
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#68 - 2012-10-17 09:53:40 UTC
What are these "Captain's Quarters" you speak of?
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#69 - 2012-10-17 10:15:41 UTC

Ever since the TV told me once that my clone hadn't been updated and I'd been flying around with an Alpha clone I love CQ.

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-10-17 10:44:08 UTC
I believe that at this time SS is the way to go and is the core of Eve.

but,

I also believe that WiS (or things alike) is the future of MMOs, not just Eve, not just some simple CQ or avatars. But a real deep virtual world where people can interact, go from station to station, ship to ship, planets, etc. Perhaps not now, but maybe in 5? 10? years, who knows. Eve is very fortunate to have them in place where the devs can further expand the possibilities.

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#71 - 2012-10-17 11:28:38 UTC
I WiS instead of spin. Frankly my computer can handle it so, might as well.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#72 - 2012-10-17 11:33:09 UTC
I support WiS on condition it leads to something more integrated then just a cabin you alone walk in. Hopefully Dust release will see something more meaningful integrated.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#73 - 2012-10-17 13:40:05 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
I have to thank the OP for taking the incentive to dispel the old "no one uses CQ" argument the Incarna haters spout all the time.

So far I count a 2-1 ratio in favour of CQ/WiS. With just as many people saying they use both or neither as their are ship spinners.


Yeah right? this thread is da proooooof! CCP turn this ship around and go full barbie!

Huh? When was the last time barbie went to a sleazy bar, bought drugs, gambled, and watched exotic dancers?

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#74 - 2012-10-17 13:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Taiwanistan wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
I have to thank the OP for taking the incentive to dispel the old "no one uses CQ" argument the Incarna haters spout all the time.

So far I count a 2-1 ratio in favour of CQ/WiS. With just as many people saying they use both or neither as their are ship spinners.


Yeah right? this thread is da proooooof! CCP turn this ship around and go full barbie!


Its hardly proof, but its significantly better than listening to you and the other bitter vets talk ****.

Webvan wrote:
Now if this were a year or two ago when WiS was an issue that everyone knew about, and a majority of players rang in with their opinions and concerns, well that's just more true to life.

*posts in yet another WiS debate that most are dead tired of and don't care even to read/post. Statistics of this thread mean nothing.


As for this, when CQ was first released all the angry people flocked to the forums (as they do just before and after every release). If anything you get a better and more representative idea when all the crap has died down, people who are dissatisfied go to the forums. Its just in the nature of what a forum is. Also, denying something's usefulness and then concluding that the alternative is true is faulty logic. This of course, isn't conclusive, but its a step in the right direction and better than anything your offering in counter.

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Hav0cide
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#75 - 2012-10-17 14:01:07 UTC
Love Captains Quarters and cant wait for the full station. Allbeit Il need a much better laptop/new pc to run it.

Sadly disabled atm.

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2012-10-17 14:58:40 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
So far it seems to be ~60-70 % SS, ~25% CQ and the rest are all in space somewhere...
It also looks like the most common reason for SS is not the disliking of CQ but the inability of the user's computer to properly run CQ without melting.

I don't run CQ for 2 reasons.

1- My PC is older, has a new graphics card but old CPU/RAM and i stare at the Loading screen for about 5 minutes.
2- WiS is pointless unless you are in a community area with other people. There is no functionality advantage to using CQ......yet.

keep em coming!

FC, what do?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#77 - 2012-10-17 15:17:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
highonpop wrote:
So far it seems to be ~60-70 % SS, ~25% CQ and the rest are all in space somewhere...
It also looks like the most common reason for SS is not the disliking of CQ but the inability of the user's computer to properly run CQ without melting.

I don't run CQ for 2 reasons.

1- My PC is older, has a new graphics card but old CPU/RAM and i stare at the Loading screen for about 5 minutes.
2- WiS is pointless unless you are in a community area with other people. There is no functionality advantage to using CQ......yet.

keep em coming!



Because your results conflicted with what I thought I saw, I thought I would recount and add some clarity to how I worked it out. If your counting what people use I tallied up what people said they used, if they said nothing, or said they only used a POS I made no tally, if they said they used both I added one to each side. I created an extra section to tally up those who said they used ship spinning but said that was only do to increased load. Here are the results I got. I accounted for the same people posting twice, of course.

22 counts of WiS, and 24 of SS. Of the 24 who said SS, 10 expressed that they only used SS because they couldn't run CQ.

So, if you were adding up who was in favour of one rather than the other, you could count those 10 from the 24 SSers as being in favour of CQ. Which would make 32 people in favour of WiS environments and 14 who either were not in favour or just simply liked SS more. (If you want to debunk that last sentence, many of the people I tallied under the unable to run CQ section openly expressed support for WiS.)

Even if you account for data collection bias, I'd say that was pretty significant. Sorry to do the whole science/stats thing, but it really is the only way to determine the truth. That's why we have science after all (Science FTW!).

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Ryhss
#78 - 2012-10-17 15:35:56 UTC
What is SS?

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#79 - 2012-10-17 15:36:35 UTC
Someone should keep a running tally of how many people with female avatars have CQ on(or like it) compared to male. Just saying there might be a connection.

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2012-10-17 15:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Arduemont wrote:
highonpop wrote:
So far it seems to be ~60-70 % SS, ~25% CQ and the rest are all in space somewhere...
It also looks like the most common reason for SS is not the disliking of CQ but the inability of the user's computer to properly run CQ without melting.

I don't run CQ for 2 reasons.

1- My PC is older, has a new graphics card but old CPU/RAM and i stare at the Loading screen for about 5 minutes.
2- WiS is pointless unless you are in a community area with other people. There is no functionality advantage to using CQ......yet.

keep em coming!



Because your results conflicted with what I thought I saw, I thought I would recount and add some clarity to how I worked it out. If your counting what people use I tallied up what people said they used, if they said nothing, or said they only used a POS I made no tally, if they said they used both I added one to each side. I created an extra section to tally up those who said they used ship spinning but said that was only do to increased load. Here are the results I got. I accounted for the same people posting twice, of course.

22 counts of WiS, and 24 of SS. Of the 24 who said SS, 10 expressed that they only used SS because they couldn't run CQ.

So, if you were adding up who was in favour of one rather than the other, you could count those 10 from the 24 SSers as being in favour of CQ. Which would make 32 people in favour of WiS environments and 14 who either were not in favour or just simply liked SS more. (If you want to debunk that last sentence, many of the people I tallied under the unable to run CQ section openly expressed support for WiS.)

Even if you account for data collection bias, I'd say that was pretty significant. Sorry to do the whole science/stats thing, but it really is the only way to determine the truth. That's why we have science after all (Science FTW!).



Thank you. I just skimmed through and didnt count each post because, well, i'm that lazy.

FC, what do?