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Why are people so butt hurt about ECM
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#141 - 2012-10-17 07:30:39 UTC
For all the complainers, I advice you to fly ECM ships and see how it performs. It's not as gamechanging as it seems & due to ECM's reputation, almost any NON-jammed ship will be charging for you, so you better get ready to flee the moment you enter the battlefield.

Lets say that in ajn optimal case, I manage to jam 4 at once (very unlikely, but assume I use racial & manage to jam one of each) I can be assured that next cycle, at least 1 perhaps even up to 3 (4 if unlucky) will break the ecm. If they're smart, they started moving towards me, (or getting ready to jump)

ECM boats are amongst the most fragile as wel, as they need to sacrifice alot of tank to be effective.

These days, I fly my Curse, more effective & less visible effect, meaning players don't charge after me so easely.

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-10-17 08:17:38 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
For all the complainers, I advice you to fly ECM ships and see how it performs. It's not as gamechanging as it seems & due to ECM's reputation, almost any NON-jammed ship will be charging for you, so you better get ready to flee the moment you enter the battlefield.

Lets say that in ajn optimal case, I manage to jam 4 at once (very unlikely, but assume I use racial & manage to jam one of each) I can be assured that next cycle, at least 1 perhaps even up to 3 (4 if unlucky) will break the ecm. If they're smart, they started moving towards me, (or getting ready to jump)

ECM boats are amongst the most fragile as wel, as they need to sacrifice alot of tank to be effective.

These days, I fly my Curse, more effective & less visible effect, meaning players don't charge after me so easely.

You are assuming that one guy will still be alive at the end of the jam cycle. P
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-10-17 13:36:59 UTC
Captain Robby wrote:
It is easy to counter use drones / FOF missile's / sensor damps and possibly some others its not the best EW its a good one i admit that but can be countered if you work around countering it.

Each EW weapon as such is used for debuffing a enamy ship if used right most people are going to call OP about it but why so much on ECM?

So i ask again why are people so butt hurt about it?


Because it's easier to complain about it, than it is to change a favourite fitting.

ECCM - Midslot
Sensor Backup Array - Lowslot

Shield Tank, Web, Point & MWD are all midslot - A higher priority is placed on all of these than eccm
Armour Tank, DCU, Damage Mods are all lowslot - A higher priority is placed on all of these than eccm

The most frequent argument used is
"Web, Prop & Point are all vital in PvP and you NEED all 3 to be effective"
The other favourite argument is
"You aren't garaunteed to run into an ECM boat, so a slot with ECCM fitted is a wasted slot the rest of the time"

EvE is an MMO. Bring friends, spread that Point/Web load amongst them.
I have often seen "don't try to do everything with 1 fit, specialise" given as advice

Consider that advice returned.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#144 - 2012-10-17 13:44:42 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
ECCM - Midslot
Sensor Backup Array - Lowslot
Would you fit TEs/TCs if they had no effect on your turrets?
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#145 - 2012-10-17 14:59:28 UTC
I have to agree with the last few comments but only somewhat.

I had a dual ECCM fit Damnation and it couldn't be jammed but unless they put some kind of damage bonus on the Damnation for HML after the December patch I don't know if I will be able to put the run to a falcon either. I can get a HAMnation to over 30 km but that isn't even close to what a Falcon can Jam at.

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fr0gout
#146 - 2012-10-17 17:45:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
ECCM - Midslot
Sensor Backup Array - Lowslot
Would you fit TEs/TCs if they had no effect on your turrets?


would you fit SDA on if they had no effect on your ECM?
please stop with your weak arguments and just fit F.O.F missiles to your deimos and HTFU.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#147 - 2012-10-17 19:43:59 UTC
Captain Robby wrote:
It is easy to counter use drones / FOF missile's / sensor damps and possibly some others its not the best EW its a good one i admit that but can be countered if you work around countering it.

Each EW weapon as such is used for debuffing a enamy ship if used right most people are going to call OP about it but why so much on ECM?

So i ask again why are people so butt hurt about it?


Because people don't want to sacrifice raw offensive DPS for utility. This game is awash in over specialized ship fits built with a single purpose in mind. ECM requires them to drop some offensive capability on the possibility that they might encounter something that completely nullifies their DPS output. Rather than accept that and fit for more than one purpose they come here to whine about it.

I personally like the idea. Currently the only place you see unspecialized fits is in wormhole space where just about anything could happen. A lot of WH dwellers don't have unlimited station hangar space nearby and often engage in non-PvP to make money.

A similar despecializing would be a welcome change to me. It makes the game less predictable and PvP less of a Rock/Paper/Scissors game...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#148 - 2012-10-17 19:49:31 UTC
fr0gout wrote:
please stop with your weak arguments and just fit F.O.F missiles to your deimos and HTFU.
Lol Humour.

Anyway, the question remains: would you fit TEs/TCs on your ship if they didn't affect your turrets?
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2012-10-17 19:51:46 UTC
To op

Coz they are whineing pansys and want to be spoon fed

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-10-17 19:53:02 UTC
fr0gout wrote:
please stop with your weak arguments and just fit F.O.F missiles to your deimos and HTFU.


feel free to fit missile launchers on a Deimos

come back and tell us how that worked out

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2012-10-19 07:31:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Tippia wrote:
Anyway, the question remains: would you fit TEs/TCs on your ship if they didn't affect your turrets?

If only they were as effective against bonused TDs...

I still don't quite understand why people want to-go fits you never go wrong with.
EVE's "fitting freedom" is a bitter joke already.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#152 - 2012-10-19 08:30:14 UTC
Colonel Xaven wrote:
Captain Robby wrote:

So i ask again why are people so butt hurt about it?


Because they need excuses for being bad at pvp.



heh, so your saying your entire coalition is bad at pvp. cause ive seen CFC use alot of ECM ships Shocked
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#153 - 2012-10-19 08:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Tippia wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
ECCM - Midslot
Sensor Backup Array - Lowslot
Would you fit TEs/TCs if they had no effect on your turrets?


There are many posts on these forums regarding turrets innability to track .....


So I'm guessing TEs/TCs don't "work" either.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#154 - 2012-10-19 10:38:30 UTC
Shizuken wrote:


Because people don't want to sacrifice raw offensive DPS for utility. This game is awash in over specialized ship fits built with a single purpose in mind. ECM requires them to drop some offensive capability on the possibility that they might encounter something that completely nullifies their DPS output. Rather than accept that and fit for more than one purpose they come here to whine about it.


Logically, then, CCP should make ECM more and more powerful until these people do learn to take countermeasures. Excellent! P
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-10-19 10:41:54 UTC
everyone hates ecm because when an active cycle his you, you may as well take a **** since you cant do **** in game for 20 seconds and then you might get jammed again

i dont log in to lose my ship when i cant to **** all about it

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2012-10-19 11:13:39 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
everyone hates ecm [...]



I don't.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-10-19 11:15:59 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
everyone hates ecm [...]



I don't.


you do too

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