EVE General Discussion

I agree with OP. Admittedly, I can't stand SC tournaments and such (gets boring to watch very quickly for me), but the point stays nevertheless.

Though I'm not sure if "spending 10k on new devs" can solve anyting even closely, but oh well.

There is a need for tactical use of space. Manual piloting, setting the right orbit, maintaining proper speed, getting a good warp in, keeping in range of your logis. Sure this isn't a hide your body behind a rock to avoid rpg fire game, but there is no terrain in most pvp engagements in eve. If anything that increases the skill since you cannot just hide when doodoo hits hte fanbelt. Another example of tactical use of space would be deep safe spots. yet another would be grid manipulation.

Coordination, needed in eve. It's needed in any game that has you interacting with your teammates to win, not even sure what you were talking about on that one.

There is enough clicks per minute in eve. The lack of aiming does, imo lower the skill level, but not greatly. Aiming at a spaceship wouldn't be that hard anyways aside from fast moving frigs.

There are many popular "e-sport" games that dont' require micro-management, maybe not your beloved starcraft, but I assure you there are.

The strategy in eve begins before you even undock, it also never ends until you log out, no clue what your talking about on that point. I would elaborate on this, but the topic of strategy in eve is quite lengthy and should be fairly obvious even to a player new to the game.

Your opponent can react in many different ways to whatever your doing. From the minute you warp in on someone he is reacting in some way. Sure the reactionary abilities of someone that's alone gettting jumped by 10 players is limited, but such is the strategic nature of the game (which you claim doens't exist). It's not strategically sound to put yourself in a position to be attacked by a force that you cannot defeat.

I think the biggest barrier eve would face to become an "e-sport" would be the fact that alot of "e-sports" fans think like the OP. I"m not trying to cut you down on that one OP, but in all honesty, the fans of these "e-sports" have expectations of what a competitive game should be, largely based on the games which they are fans of.

In regards to the issue of time investment, the character bazaar prety much solves that. This would not be much different from league of legends (a popular "e-sports" title) where if you want to use the powerful heroes you have to either spend RL cash, or grind for them (which takes time).

"There has never been a successful e-sport with a knowledge-based game for a reason"

There is a fair bit of knowledge required to play DOTA competitively.

In regard to the entertainment value, I do agree mostly that eve isn't that fun to watch.

I played Magic competitively back in the day, and I have yet to discover what this skill-thing in games is.

Situational awareness? Sure. Understanding the mechanics of the game? Sure. Have a strategy and able to adapt? Sure.

Where is this skill-thing again?

O yes, I remember this. That was entertaining. Thank you Tyrrax Thorrk.

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So what you're saying is that you suck at EVE's pvp and this thread is the result.

Conflict in EVE is completely different than in any of the games you've described, I'm sure you would agree.

When league of legends, or star craft becomes a sandbox game on a macro level, then maybe we can talk about how this is even relevant?

EVE competitive "sport like" pvp only exists as a subset within the greater EVE community at large. It's only getting in bed with other E-sport entities because they currently have the best tech to deliver the show to the rest of EVE players who might be interested.

Basically, no body cares what is going on in the E-sport community regardless.

Thats not what any of this is about.

I think my post was eaten earlier.

If a team didn't bid enough to make it into the tournament, what happens to the PLEX they used to bid?

poor people tears

do you know that people show up in the thousands to watch SC2 played live by pro players?

Its funny listening to these weak-sauce defenders make claim to the "skill" involved in EVE pvp as if in total ignorance of what is demanded of pvpers in other games.




who knows what it would be since the RNG plays such a huge role in pvp and the skill ceiling in EVE is so easy to hit. RNG, uncontrollable hits and crits, the stuff skilled competitive pvpers hate.

Don't you guys play other games? I dont know how anyone can't see that EVE pvp is a joke by comparison. I can see there are a few thinking EVE players in this thread that know it too. Thanks for reminding me about RNG, another to add to the multitude of reasons.

I have and do play a variety of other games. FPS shooters and their ilk can be amusing, even entertaining to watch, but having a highly developed twitch reflex and knowing where to hit are pretty simplistic when it comes to determining how much "skill" is involved in a particular games combat.

Again, some people are fond of checkers, some favor chess... EvE players tend to prefer chess boxing....