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Why the PVP Tournament is a waste of money.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#41 - 2012-10-16 21:39:39 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
I want to see an alliance enter with mining barges.

I would also like to see this Big smile

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Tao Arnst
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-10-16 21:47:58 UTC
Honestly, what would impress u more?

A. a KB filled wit hulk kills.

B. a KB filled wit combat ship kills AND ur the only one involved.

C. a KB that involves a solo player(PvPer).

D. B & C.

??

Was the Title "Inferno" given to this release because its a Steaming Pile of S**t? Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change ccp supports the degradation of society

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#43 - 2012-10-16 21:51:03 UTC
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1. EVE pvp is a joke amongst competitive pvpers. It is viewed as a game that requires very little skill and has an extremely low skill ceiling. In EVE, you don't beat your opponents because you were a more skilled player, you beat them because you were fortunate enough to choose correct modules and were in the right ship and knew how to operate it, which also isn't something terribly difficult. When compared to the skills of pro players in other competitive e-sport games like starcraft2, you can see a enormous margin of what is required of the player. There is no need for tactical use of terrain, nor a need for high coordination, aiming or high actions per minute, nor micromanage, very little strategy is involved, and the reactionary abilities of your opponents are extremely limited. These pvp mechanics do not attract skilled, competitive gamers, they are the things that make them shy away.


I always enjoy comments like this.

You will find a fair number of people that feel the same way, usually in the victim column of any kill board.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#44 - 2012-10-16 21:57:53 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs


The best thing about this is that it's devs, plural.

Unbelievable.

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I voted in CSM X!
Doddy
Excidium.
#45 - 2012-10-16 22:07:08 UTC
I wa sunder the impression the tourney paid for itself anyway.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#46 - 2012-10-16 22:08:07 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Just a quick heads up. I confirmed this with CCP Falcon as I suspected people had the wrong idea, but the Tournament prize is actually being provided by own3D and not CCP.


I have read that as well.
But if it is "free" to CCP, why is CCP charging so much just to get into the auction process?

I am not going to get into the "when a plex is purchased ingame, no imgame money is created, nor does RL money change hands".
That is understood.

But the fact remains, Eve ISK is a currency that has a value against other currencies in the world, and an exchange rate is established by RMT, Plex sales, whatever you choose to use as an arbitrage instrument.

Also, if CCP is not giving Owned cash for Owned to host this tourney, then what is Owned getting out of it?
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-10-16 22:15:04 UTC
I have removed numerous off topic, troll and personal attack posts from this thread. Please try to remain on topic and leave the insults out of it, all it does destroy a good discussion - ISD Type40.

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#48 - 2012-10-16 22:15:05 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs


The best thing about this is that it's devs, plural.

Unbelievable.


How ignorant of you. Makes perfectly sense from Op's perspective. He get's 100$ per month from his mom. His brother is two years older and gets 120$ per month. A typical def may be 30-40 years old, so extrapolating from what he knows you get a lot of devs. I mean math and logic is easy, no skill needed, only idiots study math. nobody would watch math on own3d.
Bodega Cat
Expedition Spartica
#49 - 2012-10-16 22:22:19 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Just a quick heads up. I confirmed this with CCP Falcon as I suspected people had the wrong idea, but the Tournament prize is actually being provided by own3D and not CCP.


I guess I made this post on the wrong forum then. Time to educate owe3D about their future failed experiment. While beams of light shooting back and forth may be entertaining for people with a child-like sense of appreciation. There is no way they are going to make that money back from EVE viewers since nobody who doesn't play EVE is going to watch. Maybe if toddlers knew how to operate computers. Some pro players who stream themselves playing on SC2 ladder get more views than EVE tournaments do. I have to wonder if it was the subscription numbers that fooled them.


If you actually think Own3d isn't comfortable operating on a loss to grow their market by and large then you don't know a thing about E-Sports either.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-10-16 22:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Karak Terrel wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs


The best thing about this is that it's devs, plural.

Unbelievable.


How ignorant of you. Makes perfectly sense from Op's perspective. He get's 100$ per month from his mom. His brother is two years older and gets 120$ per month. A typical def may be 30-40 years old, so extrapolating from what he knows you get a lot of devs. I mean math and logic is easy, no skill needed, only idiots study math. nobody would watch math on own3d.




lol, its hilarious the number of angry derps who are trying to narrow the context of this statement to whatever they can in a pathetic attempt for an argument. Some of you ignoramuses were even claiming a single dev costs 10,000$ a month Lol

Of course one could assume there may be more tournaments in the future, of which the future prize of that should also instead contribute(I bolded to help you) to the salary of such devs that would be hired instead. I love how the ragers over this thread have arguments only based in fantasy and nonsensical statements that lack thought, something I expected. Try harder kiddies.Cool
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#51 - 2012-10-16 22:32:15 UTC
Hi folks. I've removed some off topic posts and would like to remind you to keep it on topic and constructive to the topic at hand. If you have an issue with moderation, please report it or petition it. Thank you and have a pleasant day.

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Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-10-16 22:35:47 UTC
Unfortunately you are correct

PvP is eve is perceived across gaming websites as a joke in the fact it takes no real skill, u either had the right ship with the right modules or u got owned by sumone who did. U can't hide or run, u just fight and die and the blob warfare becomes very boring very quickly.

CCP however do not see this and the huge change PvP needs.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#53 - 2012-10-16 22:55:04 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
In EVE, you don't beat your opponents because you were a more skilled player, you beat them because you were fortunate enough to choose correct modules and were in the right ship and knew how to operate it, which also isn't something terribly difficult.

The blind stupidity of this statement is hilarious. Big smile

Nerf Burger wrote:
There is no need for tactical use of terrain, nor a need for high coordination, aiming or high actions per minute, nor micromanage, very little strategy is involved, and the reactionary abilities of your opponents are extremely limited. These pvp mechanics do not attract skilled, competitive gamers, they are the things that make them shy away.

Apparently, skill == the ability to click quickly. Roll
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#54 - 2012-10-16 22:57:24 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:

lol, its hilarious the number of angry derps who are trying to narrow the context of this statement to whatever they can in a pathetic attempt for an argument.


Take it easy bro, nobody is angry with you. We just make fun of your "statements", that's something different Smile

Nerf Burger wrote:

Some of you dumb kids were even claiming a single dev costs 10,000$ a month Lol


Which would be accurate. Most developers are Engineers you know. But as i wrote, i understand your situation and i don't blame you for your ignorance.

Nerf Burger wrote:

Of course one could assume there may be more tournaments in the future, of which the future prize of that should also instead contribute to the salary of such devs that would be hired instead. I love how the ragers over this thread have arguments only based in fantasy and nonsensical statements that lack thought, something I expected. Try harder kiddies.Cool


Yeah sure bro, i'm sure it will all add up. lol
Tao Arnst
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-10-16 23:02:37 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
In EVE, you don't beat your opponents because you were a more skilled player, you beat them because you were fortunate enough to choose correct modules and were in the right ship and knew how to operate it, which also isn't something terribly difficult.

The blind stupidity of this statement is hilarious. Big smile

Nerf Burger wrote:
There is no need for tactical use of terrain, nor a need for high coordination, aiming or high actions per minute, nor micromanage, very little strategy is involved, and the reactionary abilities of your opponents are extremely limited. These pvp mechanics do not attract skilled, competitive gamers, they are the things that make them shy away.

Apparently, skill == the ability to click quickly. Roll


^ this post doesn't get removed? O_o....

Was the Title "Inferno" given to this release because its a Steaming Pile of S**t? Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change ccp supports the degradation of society

Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#56 - 2012-10-16 23:05:27 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
in b4 a team with ASB Slepnirs win.... again


Given that a team can negate a ship type, this won't happen. Each team needs a backup plan incase their main fkwey us incapacitated by the rules that allow the opposing team to ban one ship type.


ASB Vindicators then, make your choice choose which one you want to lose to.
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#57 - 2012-10-16 23:56:31 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
CCP says they want to grow EVE pvp into some kind of e-sport, but that will never happen for the following reasons:

1. EVE pvp is a joke amongst competitive pvpers. It is viewed as a game that requires very little skill and has an extremely low skill ceiling.


So you know nothing about PvP then call PvP worthless and boring, mkay.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#58 - 2012-10-17 00:34:19 UTC
Tao Arnst wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
In EVE, you don't beat your opponents because you were a more skilled player, you beat them because you were fortunate enough to choose correct modules and were in the right ship and knew how to operate it, which also isn't something terribly difficult.

The blind stupidity of this statement is hilarious. Big smile

Nerf Burger wrote:
There is no need for tactical use of terrain, nor a need for high coordination, aiming or high actions per minute, nor micromanage, very little strategy is involved, and the reactionary abilities of your opponents are extremely limited. These pvp mechanics do not attract skilled, competitive gamers, they are the things that make them shy away.

Apparently, skill == the ability to click quickly. Roll


^ this post doesn't get removed? O_o....

He got bonus points for accuracy. Blink

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2012-10-17 01:23:55 UTC
Hint: End-game PVP takes place on jabber and skype, not in eve.
Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-10-17 02:23:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Imawuss
Nerf Burger wrote:
CCP says they want to grow EVE pvp into some kind of e-sport, but that will never happen for the following reasons:

1. EVE pvp is a joke amongst competitive pvpers. It is viewed as a game that requires very little skill and has an extremely low skill ceiling. In EVE, you don't beat your opponents because you were a more skilled player, you beat them because you were fortunate enough to choose correct modules and were in the right ship and knew how to operate it, which also isn't something terribly difficult. When compared to the skills of pro players in other competitive e-sport games like starcraft2, you can see a enormous margin of what is required of the player. There is no need for tactical use of terrain, nor a need for high coordination, aiming or high actions per minute, nor micromanage, very little strategy is involved, and the reactionary abilities of your opponents are extremely limited. These pvp mechanics do not attract skilled, competitive gamers, they are the things that make them shy away.



Yes EVE is known for being a very simple, new player freindly, easy to pick up game. EVE combat is very simple too, you just press orbit and F1 right?

On another note E-sports (really a dumb name) are only watched by fans of the game being played. I honestly think group combat in EVE looks great and is extremely enertaining to watch.