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…and I'm sure that's far from a unique story, which would explain the disconnect between “25% joined for PvP” and “75% enjoy PvP” that CCP's surveys show.

Personally, I joined not so much for PvP but for the opportunity to try to avoid PvP. Unfortunately, it turned out to be ridiculously easy, but I found other things that offered the level of engagement I was looking for.

Ok. Then don't try to introduce a new argument that isn't mine, or I'll introduce new statistics.

So, again: here. Why do you ask?

History doesn't bear you out. So far, safer highsec has led to people staying in highsec and demanding that it be made safer because it's so scary outside and because the increased safety has given them the incorrect impression that highsec should be completely safe.

CCP should be able to check if benefiting highsec players is better or not for the game. Edit: better = more $ on the long run.

I honestly think that the global suspect flag is more of a technical change than a surgically planned change. That way they can eliminate 1x1 flags from the system. But I also like the idea that a can flipper or a highsec loot stealer will be able to be shot by everyone.

No, you're confusing me with you again. My argument has been the exact same all along. Your attempts at trying to muddy the water with strawman arguments and red herrings is your problem and if you had stopped doing that, you would have noticed that the change in argument was of your making, not mine. That's why I'm asking you why you're asking about about taking risks in highsec. Since you can't answer, I can only conclude that you've managed to confuse yourself to the point where you no longer know why (or even that) you posed that question.

Such is the problem with straw men: you end up dizzy and short of breath since your sinuses are clogged from the acute hay fever, and you can no longer keep track of what you're doing.

This is absolutely false, and I have personal empirical evidence to prove it.

I speak with a lot of carebear types, especially in an informal form of "exit interview" after or during wars. The majority want nothing more than an X3-style game experience where they don't interact with anyone, and simply want to grind money in peace. I've also noticed something interesting: the older a carebear is, the less willing he is to leave his shell. I've gotten plenty of newbies, disenchanted with their experience in carebear corporations, set on the path of pvp. I give them advice, references, and fighting tips. What do the older players do? Usually just insult me and ragequit, or quit in resigned exasperation, ie. "sigh, whatever, this isn't for me."

Regarding your "make changes that bring in new players" claim, you're overlooking one important aspect of the MMO business: player retention. Has it occurred to you that one player out of ten remaining a permanent subscriber is a better business strategy that five out of ten staying for a year each? Because that's how long the bears usually stay for. They either get griefed out of the game, or leave out of boredom.

Whether you believe me or not is your call, but I have about five hundred wars (more than half in this corporation), and over a thousand high-sec small gang or suicide-gank kills (I'm obviously not including null/wh kills in that number) behind my belt. I know what happens to these people.


PS: I am one of those super-rare people who joined this game for the pvp. Many, many years ago my friend dragged me into this game, and I was hesitant at first.

If I remember right, one of the first things I did was take my Brutix into low in Placid and smacktalked the local pirates. They shot me, but back then pirates still sniped, so I couldn't fight back. I scared off the tackler (somehow) and warped away in structure. After they docked in my station, one of them traded me one unit of tritanium.

..while also arguing that their income needs to match all other sources, mixed up with some argument on the line of "this is my choice of life, noone should be able to force me to PvP" "why would I let others dictate my gameplay".

Makes you wonder why they started this particular game in the first place, then.

It's a cute story.

The carebear-illustration fits my experience as well. Nowhere near as many highsec wars, but mix in some ganks and low- and even nullsec 'wars' (I don't have this signature for no reason) and the picture is quite clear.

Hell, my corp is even locked up and we don't take in recruits, but one of the few members we have is a guy that joined this game to just casually mine. His wet dream was to sit there in belts seeing the roids slowly deplete. Now he wants to shoot everything that moves.

Yes, I confess. I lost interest of discussing with you. Its more semantics than results and specifics.

Returning to the point: good job CCP, go on with the proposed changes, even without tweeks.

One question which I feel is pretty pertinent to this whole ordeal of a **** thread: has hisec ganking/griefing increased lately since CCP feels the urge to tighten the screw more and more? And if so, why has it increased?