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So I want to try and set up a Moon Mining POS
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Goodwin Pook
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-12 22:18:05 UTC
So I have decided to set up a small moon mining POS in nullsec. This is proving to be much more complex than I thought. Could I get a mining base with a reactor, harvester, silo, and hangar on a small tower? How profitable wiil it be? What is my chance of my base being attacked by other players? Are there any significant skills I will need? Also, am I going to need a capital freighter to move the control tower out, or is there something more affordable I can get that can hold 8000 m3?
The Renner
Canadian Operations
#2 - 2012-10-12 22:37:40 UTC
Goodwin Pook wrote:
So I have decided to set up a small moon mining POS in nullsec. This is proving to be much more complex than I thought. Could I get a mining base with a reactor, harvester, silo, and hangar on a small tower? How profitable wiil it be? What is my chance of my base being attacked by other players? Are there any significant skills I will need? Also, am I going to need a capital freighter to move the control tower out, or is there something more affordable I can get that can hold 8000 m3?


If all you are planning to do is mine one type of goo, then a small tower can easily fit a silo and harvester. The only skill you will need is anchoring. A regular indy can easily haul it all there, but I would recommend a Covert hauler (which will likely take more than 1 trip)

As far as the tower getting attacked goes, that really depends on the area and type of moon. A moon that is quite valuable will likely to be stomped into the ground, something less so will likely be ignored for a while.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-12 22:38:59 UTC
Im guessing that you really dont know anything about moon mining. I mean it could be a troll but meh?

So...

1 no you cannnot fit all that onto one small tower,even a caldari small which has the most CPU out of all the different tower types.
2 it all depends on what you are mining
3 depend on where you are, what your moon is, and how much you talk in local
4 anchoring 3
5 what is a capitol freighter? and how is it different then a regular freighter? or is that what you meant, but no you do not need a freighter to do pos operations.
6 most industrials can be fit to above 8k m/3 and most blockade runners can as well.


Read most of the guides already published about moon goo

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-12 23:44:37 UTC
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#5 - 2012-10-13 16:14:45 UTC
I suggest you look for another way to make money, any moon worth doing is under control of the main power block alliances.

Any moon that is free is not worth the time involved.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-15 20:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kusum Fawn
Gibbo3771 wrote:
I suggest you look for another way to make money, any moon worth doing is under control of the main power block alliances.

Any moon that is free is not worth the time involved.



90% truth

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
LuckyQuarter
Eden Dominion Coalition
Scary Wormhole People
#7 - 2012-10-16 11:21:17 UTC
It's hard to find a decent moon in lowsec......I have to imagine it would be 10x harder in null sec as moons have been mapped since forever and all the alliances know where they are.

If you really want to do moon stuff, do it as a supplement to something else - not on its own.

Use dotlan to see the moon specs for most systems...you don't need to do any surveying.

More realistic:
- save up lots of isk and have some corpmates help you setup a pos on a crappy moon in an isolated system in lowsec
- Do PI, Occasional Belt Mining, and Anomalies too
- Hopefully all of the above will keep paying for your tower

Oh, if you had managed to find a good moon, good luck keeping it...
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#8 - 2012-10-16 20:31:15 UTC
As others have said, any open moon is not worth the effort to mine. Also small towers in null can be taken down very quickly by a single dread.

A small tower can fit a moon harvester and a silo. But any moon the tower would last more than a day at will not make you much isk.

A better option is to set up a reaction tower. This is a tower with simple and/or complex reactors turning basic moon GOO into higher end materials. for example combining tech and platinum to form PT tech, and/or combining PT tech with carbon polymers to form Fullerides.

If you are only doing simple reactions you can find a moon that contains the cheaper of the two elements you are combining. You then mine the one material and import the other. your profit is made off the reaction as most low end materials are not worth enough to even cover the fuel cost of the POS. Say for example you want to make Crystalite alloy which is made from Cobalt and cadmium. Empty cobalt moons are easy to find, at least they used to be. You mine the cobalt directly into the reactor, it is not worth much so does not matter if you lose the odd cycle. You then import the cadmium to a silo which also feeds the reactor. You then sell the resulting Crystalite alloy. It used to sell well as it is needed for both Gallente and ORE Tech 2 ships.

Reaction POSes are pretty much the only way to make isk off moon mining out side of major alliances. All highly profitable moons are controlled by big alliances and can not be held by anything smaller. Even a reaction POS will be a target due to the potential loot. You must use a large tower to survive, unless you are deep inside friendly space.

If you do find a good moon deep inside friendly space, ask your corp/alliance leaders if you can use it before anchoring your POS. most null sec alliances have a policy that moon goo belongs to the alliance.

One more thing, you will need a jump freighter if you really want to make isk doing this. A blockade runner will be to hard to keep your reactions supplied, and get the finished goods back out. There is a good moon mining and reactions guide available if you google it. Sorry don't have the link as I downloaded it in PDF.