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No. I take EVE. Do you have anything to bring to the table that isn't some insane troll logic strawman argument?

…which tells you nothing about what to do with EVE to make it live on and thrive. In fact, doing exactly what they've been doing has made it live on and thrive longer than most so far. What that survey would tell you is WoW, and WoW already has the WoW market saturated — trying to replicate it means you lose, as every WoW clone in existence has shown. EVE has shown how to not do that and still be very successful. Moving away from a winning strategy and towards a strategy that has so far only ever ended in a loss doesn't seem particularly clever, now does it?

The fact remains: the “dark” side of EVE has consistently shown to be one of its main draws, as has its freestyle sandbox gameplay. So why would you want to remove and reduce those for something that has been shown on multiple occasions not to work well?

Stop having so many bulls in your house then and the problem will go away. Whether or not other players can't sit in front of the game for 20 minutes is pretty irrelevant. The fact is that the categorical claim is false (as categorical statements pretty much always are). If they want to waste time (and assets) on the auto pilot, then that's their problem.

I still don't travel AFK because there's no reason to.

Nice, when confronted with flaws in your argument, you stop to include your own quotes. You tried to use statistics to prove the statistics, that's why I shifted to a fictional game example, were 100% of the current players likes the game. Pretty obvious.

You need to understand that not everyone can stay in front of the computer for 20-30 jumps. So, your categorical statement "there's no reason to travel AFK" is false (as categorical statements pretty much always are).

Returning to the proposed changes:

The standard company manager way of thinking is: how can we bring more profit to the business? If you gain 10 players and lose 5 players, its a good thing. But you can't be 100% sure on how some change will impact the business until you do it, even with market research.

I think this changes are good for the game and will help bring and keep more players than lose players.

No. I used the statistics to show what the draw of EVE is, since that's the point of contention. Inventing new games and inventing statistics for them because the reality doesn't agree with your wishes, and then trying to pin strawman after strawman on me is your game. It's not working all that well for you…

Irrelevant. One is all that's needed to falsify the claim.

Nope. There's no reason for me to do it, categorically or otherwise.

Tippia why do you keep feeding trolls on a subject that has nothing to do with the threads topic?

Whether or not someone afk travels (I've only done it maybe 3 times in 4 years and died once) the killrights as being developed are fundamentally broken, with the dev response being what it usually is in situations like this: 'nuh uh'

You'd think after all those years of their parent chanting the "Go before we leave" Mantra that these guys would have it figured out by now.

No, it shows the point being made: that the things you don't like are the draw of the game.

Nope. I said I don't travel AFK because there's no reason to.

Nope. I'll cut you off to correct you in text as well as in speech.

You should probably look up the word categorical if you have to ask. And yes, I do: this thread and your numerous failed attempts at trying to get away from the reality of the situation by spewing out a a random assortment of red herrings and strawman arguments in your wake.

I'm still catching up on the thread, but I just want everyone to know that watching Tippia tear into the derpo safetybear like a stray dog into a dropped hotdog is giving me a woody.

Same reason as always: Poe's law (or some horrible Lovecraftingly twisted version thereof).

For every troll barfing up some random uninformed idiocy to see if it sticks, there are ten people who genuinely believe the same nonsense, and there's no way of telling which is which. It's therefore a better strategy to set the record straight for those genuine believers, even if it's done via proxy.

Sometimes, the entire line of argumentation gets removed for the benefit of all after the poor troll can't go anywhere and outs himself, but even when that doesn't happen there's an (admittedly minor) lesson to be had — yay, education! In this case, it's an object lesson of why it's unwise to engage in red herring fallacies if you pick a topic that you can master even less than the one you're trying to divert attention away from.

Rule 34 is in effect as always, I see. Maybe I should set up a hideously expensive premium-rate call service for it…

Well, the only real reason to go AFK while traveling is if you are lazy. Personally, I can be a bit lazy from time to time... but it really makes less sense than just getting where I need to go in a fraction of the time and being done with it, and safer to boot.

As far a greifing someone with an expensive kill right... interesting but extremely easy to avoid. Once someone starts their campaign of "terror" simply let them activate the kill right and then get yourself killed (with your own alt if necessary). That means that your stalker just paid a billion ISK to himself to give you the option of shirking the kill mail.

You see the problem with this tactic is it's own definition, "stalker" implies that you are going to follow and do it over and over again making it very very easy to predict it happening and be ready to inexpensively end yourself at that time.

A valuable kill right is one that the target has no idea when it will be activated and will have a more difficult time setting up his escape from it.

Here. Why do you ask?

No. 25% joined the game specifically for the PvP. The vast majority joined for the interconnected sandbox — something you're arguing should be reduced for reasons you haven't really managed to explain.

You mean like the ones saying that I don't AFK because there's no reason to?

Thank you. In return, you can keep posting strawman arguments red herrings, or any other fallacies you can think of to try to distract from the simple fact that the things you dislike are the draw of the game and that this has kept the game alive and growing for a decade, as opposed to the games that have tried to WoW-emulation route (and failed horribly as a result). I won't stop pointing out these fallacies, though, usually by interrupting you mid-sentence when you're about to embark on a new one.