Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Simple, please, make low sec mission runners somewhat secure.

Low sec, 1000% risk missions. PVE fits are weak, PVP fits suck at PVE, you make so little money that it is not worthwhile to bring PvP guard. There is not enough reward to compensate BODYGUARDs, lost PVE ship. But risk is 100 higher than current reward.

Only way to make low MISSIONS viable - collapsible warp gate, a certain key that takes you to the mission deadspace, so that noone except your team can interfere in your mission. At least it is fair for the PVE pilot, he can still be ganked on gate or station. But not while he is busy.

High rewards do matter, but risks that are 100 times greater prevent all attempts.

It is the ratio of risk to reward - if it was 1:10 to win 100 mill ISK - this is kind of reward people may want to try.

Today it is 1:100 to win 15 mill ISK. Contrast more than 60 times!!!

Low sec mission runners need to be protected while in mission pocket!

Access key given by mission agent, or automatically filtering warp gate. It will make risks a lot lower, and low sec life will be possible.

No. PvPers will take advantage of this by massing fleets and boosters in the mission.

Also...

I do level 5 missions in low-sec quite often... usually with other people... in PvP fits... with hostiles in system. And rewards for level 5s can be around 100 to 150 mil (split 3 ways, that's 33 to 50 mil per person for less than 30 to 40 minutes of effort) plus a large mass of Loyalty Points.

Try altering your tactics and figure out better ways of running such missions rather than change the mechanics (i.e. don't just "tank and gank"... try "kiting and sniping"... or "RR-Battleships").

Some lvl 1-4 agents give missions in low sec. Rewards are not worth it. Risk 500 mill battleship for 15 mill payout. What is the point???

If you run lvl 5 missions in PvP ships, it takes 10 pirates to bust your mission party. They do it for fun.

If you want to have two low sec dominant groups - they will always fight, no matter what. Simply because they can. Even if two competing groups merge, they will not tolerate newcomers.

This will leave low sec underpopulated. Because new players would not be able to come.

more importantly you will never complete your mission either, try actually doing them. There is an objective. It is long and difficult.

You suggest to wait till pirates fall asleep, out sit them. This is why missions suck. They are sit ass profession.

So pirates prevent mission completion, or make them impossibly long in waiting.

Missioning is not like anomalies.

And we can always keep lvl 5 missions as they are. But lvl 1-4 could be more secure in low, so that crowd moves in. They will slowly learn other PvP aspects.

It turns out that D-SCAN does not help much. If you are hunted, you are hunted.

WCS - omg, have you tried them? -50% scan res and targeting? no not really viable for anything.

I am an almost exclusive solo PvE player
(except for this alt which likes to gank people farming complexes in high sec or weaponless FW alts)

I ONLY mission in low sec/null.
I run missions with alts 75% of time. With friends 25% of the time.

Primarily L5s, these days but spent a long time in syndicate running L4s

Low sec is not "un-safe". I think it is more safe than high sec.

1) You will never get a suicide gank in low sec
2) You know who everyone is. The friends and the pirates. There aren't a lot of "Randoms"


You're right that L5s are fine as they are. Most can be completed in 1-7 minutes of actual mission running. I often run them with pirates out hunting me knowing that I can complete the mission faster than they can scan me down.

As far as L4s.
1) You have to learn how to run the missions quickly and decline the ones that take a long time
2) Have multiple missions/systems available
3) Sometimes you just have to dock/cloak up and go enjoy a beer/watch football/hang out with your neglected kid
4) Be a less juicy looking target

If a pirate knows that
1) You are good at running missions and will probably finish before he scans you down.
2) If he does scan you down you're just going to bug off
3) If he does manage to catch you, he's only going to get a T1 fitted ship worth 20->100 million ISK

HE'S NOT GOING TO BOTHER


Seriously. Low sec is very safe, but it is not "easy"

If you are willing to put in the time to think and plan out your strategy you can reap the rewards. But I guess that's just like everything else in Eve. Stupid die quick and smart make a killing.

You do make a good point about PvP though. The longer you hang out in low the more you will PvP.

Edit .. .
On the Warp Core Stabilizers . . .
Since you are especially dense. You put them on your "Travel Fit" not on your "Mission Fit" . . .

I run missions all the time in low sec, have for years, never lost a ship to players doing it. Even do it with hostiles in system. As said, you have to be ******** or comatose to get caught. I agree that lvl1-4 aren't worth it since the pay difference isn't terribly significant but lvl5's most definitely are. The issue isn't the danger (there isn't any if you do it right), it's the inconvenience.

That's pretty bad.

I have corp mates that can run L4's in the security of high sec in a BS solo. Some take 30 min while others up to 1.5 hours. They make 50 mil up to 150 mil per mission. Between the bounties, loot, salvage, and finally the little bit as a reward and bonus. In about 2 months, I'll be doing it myself.

Time is money, so not only can they match the payout doing a L4 solo that you can with a L5 split between a few of ya, but they also don't have to waste time doing all the things people say you should do to 'travel safe' in low/null.

I've made one attempt at running missions in low/null. Dscan? No prob. Warped to the gate at max out (I didn't have a book mark yet) then moved away until I could warp to it, went a little bit farther then dropped a book mark. No prob.
Warped in just as someone came in but too late and moved to the next system. Jumped into the mission, I was in the middle of it when he warped into my mission, and before I could warp out. Scrammed, webbed and being pounding by not only him/her but a couple of npc's as well.

So what if I had got out of there? Dock up? Then what, wait? Time is money and the more time I spend waiting for the coast to be clear is less time making isk.

The payout is higher but the isk/time ratio sucked.

understandable.

I also tend to over estimate. lol

I am not uber elite. I suck at PvP. Everyone I hang out with lives in low sec solo or small corp. Makes sense since I also live in low sec but it is not empty. Just less crowded and not full of random pilots. It doesn't take uber skill points or uber gaming skills to live in low sec. You just have to use that spongy tissue located above your shoulders.


Have you considered maybe using more than one ship???? NPCs only shoot at the first ship that they see (for the time being). Bring in one ship that can tank the room (maybe with a RR added on a spare highslot of your DPS ships). Fit everything else for DPS/PvP.


Yes I lose ships all the time. It's the cost of doing business. I lose my ships to NPCs (because I didn't trigger right, or was to busy watching TV, or umm interned "video". Not because some blood thirsty pirate tracked me down. I also fly cheap. If you're making 500million LP/hour you can afford to replace an Exequror or two.


Wasn't your first point that low sec is empty . . . now you're arguing that it's too full or that I don't live in the "real lowsec"


There are some systems where people are constantly pirating. Go there if you want to PvP This constitutes maybe 5-10 systems out of all of low sec.
If you want to mission, which is what you were complaining about find a QUIET part of lowsec . . . There are lots of L4/L5 agents in quiet parts of Low/NPC null.



Check out all my forum posts over the past year about running L5 missions

-fango Mango aka Gankatron 2000


The truth of the matter is that you have never lived in low sec. Those of us that do try and tell people how to do it. It's not that hard, there's lots of ISK to be made, and it's easy to meet new friends (and gently work your way into pvp).