EVE General Discussion

Actually, I run lvl 4 missions to stockpile some cash before I can get into null space again.

This is what I get - average payout - 10-15 mill per hour at best.

I want a ratting ship in null sec, it can cost 150-200 mill, due to price wars in NPC space.

Yes, even that ratter ship can be blown to pieces, this is where D-scanner and local and intel channel may help. If you run anoms and belts you can make 40-60 mill in bounties per hour, 30 mill being minimum. You can make more and there is not much risk - cloak usually helps, as well as being aligned and aware of hostile movements.


Eve is full of risks. Loosing a pvp BS, BC - equals 100 - 250 mill, then you have trouble fitting it out in null - industry and supplies are limited. Risks are 50% 50% to loose it, it is a matter of time until you do. But getting it back can be a problem.

Yep lets keep graveyard camping, it's interesting and the best way to make it so other players are interested on moving there. It's well known, every one like to be graveyard camp, it's such an awesome game tactic and skilled game play.

The cuss word you are alluding to is "instancing". This one mechanic would pretty much instantly cause mass migrations into low/null from hi sec. Having said that, there is so much opposition to this idea in EvE that it will never happen. It is not quite consensual PvP, but close enough in the minds of PvPers that it may as well be the same thing. I do agree with you, but it will never happen.

You don't even need to sell your crap. If you're a random highsec carebear you've spent so much time doing mindless PVE content in a totally risk free environment that you should have loads of money.

Unless you did something dumb like put all of your money into making your mission ship 1.75% more effective because the most important thing in the game to you is your isk/hour ratio.

"Risk" with pixels on a screen. That's funny...

And OP, null is what you and your buds make it. Quit trying to screw with it by having CCP give you more pets for your farm (see what I did thar?)

It is when you're the victim. Have you ever tried fitting a ship for the sole purpose of falling prey to a gatecamp? With a little planning and careful manipulation of aggression mechanics, you can create some surprising results. You might even have fun. Maybe you should try it. It might change your perspective on things.

Nice misquoting, shows your intelligence level to be not very high but I am sure I can return the favor below.

You can't "make" people enjoy things.

Set the game as it should be. Those who like it will stay, those who don't... won't

Not all gates are camped 23/7 - that's just pants-on-head stupid talk. Go out of Jita to the nearest gate, yeah, that's going to be camped.

There is more than one way into Null (Pro-Tip: Wormholes).

The reward of an activity has to outweigh the risk of the activity and the effort of the activity has to be lower than another activity. For example:

I'm not going to take a battleship that costs over 200 million ISK into LowSec to do IV's because the chance of encountering a gate camp is very high (because mission systems are camped), the ability to actually escape the gatecamp is very low (because battleships are fat and stupid and I'll be fit for PvE), and having to wait for the gatecamp to leave is very annoying. It's better to do it in HiSec where I have a nearly 0% chance of losing my mission boat.

This is also why I'm not interested in moving to DullSec. Mining becomes a huge production (I need to have a ship ready to clear the BS rats each time they spawn), I need to dock/POS every time there's a neutral in system, refining rates are lower, I need to depend more on other people, most of the low-end ores are shipped in from HiSec anyway, etc etc... after all that it's actually more profitable to mine Veldspar and Kernite in Hisec than it is to be a miner in DullSec. Not to mention every market I've looked at has been sub-par.

So there's two sitautions, one involves risk, and the other involves effort. LowSec is riskier with not much increased rewards; DullSec has more rewards, but the efforts of attaining said rewards nullifies it. Thus you have a concentration of people in HiSec. HiSec has everything you need. It has safe missions, safe mining, and if you want to PvP you can join FW (which is just next door in LowSec), RvB, grief, WarDec, etc etc. As far as "sandboxes" go, HiSec just offers more choice. I don't know many HiSeccer's that "struggle", but I know many people in LowSec and DullSec who toe the poverty line.

EDIT: I'd like to point out, you can cry about it and nerdrage over it all you want and come up with any argument - it doesn't change anything.