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TharOkha
0asis Group
#141 - 2012-10-16 09:24:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...


Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2012-10-16 09:28:16 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
And really, she got in on the KM, even a "Concord" mail is a little tick against the ganker and a little tick for the gankee. It's wonderful stuff.


Killboard's green, go go go, amirite?

I couldn't find a single tornado death, in highsec, from Concord, in the CFC, anywhere on the killboards. Anywhere. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction by finding these tornadoes Marlona speaks of?

Watch as Touval Lysander suddenly goes silent on this particular topic.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Selinate
#143 - 2012-10-16 09:29:29 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:



Why bother ganking for profit?


Did not bother to read rest of post, answer is because profit can be made while ganking.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-10-16 09:30:28 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...


Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Herr Hammer Draken
#145 - 2012-10-16 09:55:03 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...


Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk.


Four of those can still be ganked profitably in high sec when max yield fit by a single cat. Oh and they all are max yield fit these days.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2012-10-16 11:20:44 UTC
Guess they need to be pre-tanked some more, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#147 - 2012-10-16 11:36:14 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...


Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk.


Four of those can still be ganked profitably in high sec when max yield fit by a single cat. Oh and they all are max yield fit these days.


Not all, just 99%, the ones that are tanked tend to be owned by people that have always tanked them.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#148 - 2012-10-16 11:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Hammer Draken
This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UvnGFEE7Qw&feature=relmfu

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#149 - 2012-10-16 12:55:07 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Lord Zim wrote:
TharOkha wrote:

Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk.

Hmm, i dont see any major advantages on any t1/t2 cruiser/battlecruiser and ships you mentioned. in other words, every ship in eve is "pre--tanked" by your definition.

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#150 - 2012-10-16 13:01:17 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
TharOkha wrote:

Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk.

Hmm, i dont see any major advantages on any t1/t2 cruiser/battlecruiser and ships you mentioned. in other words, every ship in eve is "pre--tanked" by your definition.



"Hmmm I don't see any difference between this mining vessel designed for mining and any sort of combat ship designed for fighting. I guess there's no problem with that"


You have just proved exactly what the problem is. You see no difference in base EHP between a mining vessel and a combat vessel. How about we just give combat vessels the same mining yield as mining vessels and be done with it.

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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
HORSE-KILLERS
#151 - 2012-10-16 13:04:32 UTC
somehow i think this is a failled attempt by some semi-known blogger to manipulate the market by creating a panic..

but hey, what do i know?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#152 - 2012-10-16 13:09:21 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...


Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"


The mack comes with a base tank that makes it impossible to make a profit when its fitted with t2 mods and no tanking mods. It is one of the few subcaps that can do this and as a result invalidates one of the other barges which is specialised in tanking.
Ginger Barbarella
#153 - 2012-10-16 13:43:20 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Becka Goldbeck wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I can't wait for Bounties to be implementable on everyone......

Put a 50m bounty on an exhumer pilot, and it'll be plenty profitable enough to suicide gank them....


Oh, so we can just go around placing arbitrary bounties on everyone for free?

Neat.

tbh most exhumer pilots deserve it.


I, for one, plan to exploit this new bounty system to the point of hilarity. :)

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#154 - 2012-10-16 13:48:21 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

You see no difference in base EHP between a mining vessel and a combat vessel.

So are you saying that every non-combat vessel should have lol EHP just because they are noncombat? Lets then put 2500 EHP on freighters and Rorquals and laught on catalysts Killmails, lets then put 500 EHP on logistics (and also "whooping" 50 PowerGrid too).

No you dont see a difference. CCP buffed their EHP because they were primitively cheap to gank. Even well fitted mackiaw was easily ganked by 2-3 catalysts and were profitable to gankers. What CCP did was just balance their EHP. They can be still profitable like some of l4 mission boats. You just have to search for expensive target.

Quote:
How about we just give combat vessels the same mining yield as mining vessels and be done with it.


How about we just give mining vessels the same DPS as combat vessels and be done with it. ? Sorry but this post is EPIC FAIL !!!

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-10-16 13:57:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
[Mackinaw, Tough Cookie]
Internal Force Field Array I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Ice Harvester I
Ice Harvester I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Here is the current Mackinaw setup I am using. I picked up a +3% to shield amount. Toss in Tengu and Loki bonuses, have your shield hardeners preoverloaded, but not turned on. Mine ice until very upset gankers come for you, then turn on the hardeners. You now have 72,516 EHP with a 188m signature radius. If you don't have access to bonuses then you still have a solid 54,024 EHP. Once Concord has made short work of them, scoop the loot and return to station to drop off your ice, loot and repair your hardeners. Rinse, repeat, enjoy.

Most importantly, be sure to save any kind of local smack they dish at you in your notepad. As you can see from this very thread, even though they complain about miners not tanking their ships, when you do tank it, they still complain. Straight
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#156 - 2012-10-16 13:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
TharOkha wrote:


No you dont see a difference. CCP buffed their EHP because they were primitively cheap to gank. Even well fitted mackiaw was easily ganked by 2-3 catalysts and were profitable to gankers. What CCP did was just balance their EHP. They can be still profitable like some of l4 mission boats. You just have to search for expensive target.




They used to have a base EHP that put them in the same class as heavy assault ships. How exactly was that not balanced?
Taiwanistan
#157 - 2012-10-16 14:03:30 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
[Mackinaw, Tough Cookie]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Here is the current Mackinaw setup I am using. You do need a +3% power grid implant for it to work. Also I picked up a +3% to shield amount. Toss in Tengu and Loki bonuses, have your shield hardeners preoverloaded, but not turned on. Mine ice until very upset gankers come for you, then turn on the hardeners. You now have 79,777 EHP with a 188m signature radius. If you don't have access to bonuses then you still have a solid 59,207 EHP. Once Concord has made short work of them, scoop the loot and return to station to drop off your ice, loot and repair your hardeners. Rinse, repeat, enjoy.

Most importantly, be sure to save any kind of local smack they dish at you in your notepad. As you can see from this very thread, even though they complain about miners not tanking their ships, when you do tank it, they still complain. Straight

christ stop cockblocking our party, not that they'd listen

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#158 - 2012-10-16 14:05:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


They used to have a base EHP that put them in the same class as heavy assault ships. How exactly was that not balanced?


I mentioned this a thousand times. Extremely low PowerGrid. While HAC could fit large tank extenders, miners couldnt.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-10-16 14:05:15 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
christ stop cockblocking our party, not that they'd listen

They didn't listen the first time, they were too busy crying to daddy CCP. They'll keep on crying to daddy CCP and refraining from putting a tank on until daddy CCP ups the HP yet again. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Hypercake Mix
#160 - 2012-10-16 14:08:03 UTC
Just keep throwing money at it until it breaks.