EVE General Discussion

My mistake, 'tis early here & lol

inb4 someone says - "duh, we can gank, we just can't do it PROFITABLY".

on the km's... AFK PvP - how dare you??!!

It's gotta be against the EULA or sumthin'.....

She did use an alt and said so.

And really, she got in on the KM, even a "Concord" mail is a little tick against the ganker and a little tick for the gankee. It's wonderful stuff.

And no ganker rage??!! My dear fellow, where HAVE you been?

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...

^ Yeah mining ice does scare me. Only so few spots of ice fields, so its easy for gankers to find you. I probably would fit a tank if I went ice mining, but for ore mining, I usually don't fit a tank. Just too many systems have roid belts, complete opposite for ice mining.

That's profit from market manipulation, not ganking. The ganks are still hugely unprofitable.

Then you'll be incorrect until the cows come home.

It doesn't matter how you acquired stuff — when you lose them, you've been burdened by a non-zero cost because you end up with less value than you had before.

If you mine enough minerals to build a destroyer, you now sit on ~1M ISK worth of minerals. You now have three options: you can rclick-trash them, you can sell them, you can refine and add value to them by building a destroyer out of them. If you rclick-trash them, your assets have lost 1M ISK in value. If you sell them, you replace the mineral value by ISK value. If you build a destroyer out of them, you lose 1M ISK worth of materials and get 1.1M ISK worth of destroyer. You now have three options again: you can destroy that destroyer. You can sell it. Or you can refine it by building a dictor out of it. If you destroy it, your assets have lost 1.1M ISK in value. If you sell it, you replace the ship value by ISK value. And if you refine it, you lose 1,1M ISK worth of destroyer (and 37M ISK of other materials) and gain 31M ISK worth of interdictor, thereby reducing your asset value by 7M ISK. Oh, and you could of course always just fly around in it, at which point your assets remain the same.

At no point was anything free. At every point, you could incur a loss (including the attempt to add value to the destroyer by T2-ifying it). Opportunity costs are still costs, even if you never see a single ISK come or go, and the notion that just because you own stuff, it has no value (which is essentially what you're saying) is, shall we say, flawed.

Gallente towers are better for gathering and manipulating moon goo and gallente ice is one of the main sources of the products used to jump around gallente capships… and those are quite popular.

Why would a suicide ganker be mad? Were I do do this I'd be somewhat giddy, like sneaking up on people in COD2 and hitting them with a rifle butt, whilst giggling like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory.

I must be doing something wrong.

I am unable to find any killmails on any boards which even come close to the incident Marlona refers to.

Marlona - KM's or this never happened and it becomes like the cake in the first episode of Portal.

7 pages of posts and no proof. Doesn't wash.

…and that's your problem. It means you don't understand the concept of opportunity cost, and makes you completely miscalculate your costs and assets.