EVE General Discussion

We should just go back to the good old days where there were different sizes of sticks and that was it

or he's an ECM pilot

Agreed.

Nah, because then guys would constantly get into stick measuring contests for weeks on end. Nothing would get done.

As for the topic, ECM should remain a viable combat tactic period. Adaption is your friend, and learning that you are not entitled to win everytime you undocked.

ECM is by far the absolute dumbest ******* game mechanic ever designed in the history of MMOs. And you can quote me on that.

BECAUSE OF FAL... errr... GUARDIAN!!

Heresy!!
Die thread, die!
With missile nerfs and if this, may as well just delete the Caldari

I already posted this twice before, but none actually commented as everyone is busy trolling each other I guess...

Why do I repost it? It fits perfectly to the discussion. It is an idea of how to make ECM manily effective on logistics ships, but still not totally useless in the rest of the game.

Anyway, this was my post:

I actually like the "chance based" system (it works for guns in falloff too you know), but totally shutting down the target seems a bit..well not well designed.

Instead let the ECM override your targeting systems (100% chance that it will happen), instead randomizing (rng at work here) which ship you will try to shot/repair of the ones you have already locked.

You can easily counter it by just targetting one single ship, which for a frigate is no big deal, but slightly annoying for a battleship.

The ECCM moduel would decrease the risk of your modules targeting the wrong ship.

In the end ECM would almost not affect 1vMany engagements at all as the single ship can still shot back at one opponent at the time, but it could have a massive impact on bigger battles where putting ecm on the logi ships or on the major damage dealers would wreak havoc.

Dont know how to balance (i.e. how high the cahnce of activating your modules on the wrong ships should be) or if its is a good idea to begin with, but it would change the ecm effect to something you can actually counter and even removing it as a tool where it seems to get the most hate from: being locked out of a fight where you are outnumbered anyway.


In addition to the above idea I would like to point out that combining ECM with sensor dampening would be a really powerful tool. This fits nicely to how the target painter and web works together too.

So, what, replace mid slot jammers with shield modules, get rid of ECM ships? ECM boats are weak, even the frigs are loosing a hardpoint this winter, and they are not meant to be tanks like most ships, while certainly less damage output coming to them already (hardpoints and missile nerfs). Anyway this is more of a problem for 1v1, while gang fights can easily turn bad for unskilled or unlucky ewar pilots.

NURF TEH ZOMFGOPDRAE-- Oh, hey, wait a minute...

Right, then:

Mods, please gas thread, thank you.

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But seriously now:

Aside from the "throw the dice" aspect --which I think is against a core concept of EVE, because random chance =/= validation of/reward for the time spent to train and/or specialise for max. skills at the cost of general versatility in the usual EVE manner-- ECM does not need much fixing, and certainly does not need nerfing. (Hasn't Caldari been nerfed enough for you ******* insufferable crybabies, yet?)

And there are counters:

Sensor dampeners (which, it is implied, may finally be un-nerfed soon-ish).
Target Painters (have you hugged your Target Painter today? Criminally under-appreciated module and E-War technique, IMHO).
Cap-neutralisers.
Alpha.
Drone Swarm (no, not just EC-300/-600s, either).

As well, you don't necessarily have to kill the logi, you just have to put it to flight or temporarily nullify its functionality, and ECM is not the only way to do it, especially given that the other E-War/Cap-war are not chance-based.