EVE General Discussion

That is something you would have to ask a game designer as game masters do not determine what will be put into the game or why. As another GM put it; if game design wants to add rusty bikes to the game we will support it, as long as we get logs stating how much rust is on the bike at any point in time and whose pants it manages to stain.

30 days, even better. The hell of I know exactly how long they last.

Thx for this interesting answer

A lot of hostility in this thread. I would like to add that kill rights should never expire until they are used.

It doesn't make it bad.

They're trying to remove tricking people into being able to get shot. This should make it clear who you can or can not shoot at, as well as provide the oportunity for more people to get involved in shooting each other in high sec.

Anything that can potentially make pvp more accessible to more people is a good thing for EVE.

Using it to greif new players is an entirely other issue, and something that people are already doing anyways. It's irrelevant, just don't do it.


The only people who will not benefit from this are those people who do not want more people being able to shoot at them. The people who want to gank without putting themselves into a situation where other people can easily retaliate against them.



I totally understand that many people would prefer that they just put in a toggle that allowed players to set a PvP flag to on, so that you can pvp in high sec without concord involvement, and they should.

The problem is, the ******* carebears wont use it!
You'll get like 3 guys out of 300 thousand that will actually turn on the pvp flag, ******* yay.

However, give them the option to decide first, and you'll likely see more people engaging than less. Carebears don't want to be subject to RANDOM pvp, they want CONTROLLED CONCENSUAL pvp.

Non concensual pvp that is penalized with concensual pvp is just about the best way that CCP could have handled ganking and can flipping. Seriously, the only alternative is to remove the ability to gank and can flip entirely and put in only /pvp option.




People should learn to count their ******* blessings instead of bitching all time. CCP is literally giving us the best of both worlds and people are bitching about it.

Yes, I understand that. The point of my post was to refute Bloodpetal's post about the action being impossible with the "idiot switch" turned on. All that switch does, from what I've read, is prevent someone from performing an action that would gain them a Suspect or Criminal flag. Shooting a Suspect does not gain you a Suspect or Criminal flag, although it does put you into an LE with the Suspect, so the Suspect can shoot you back (the whole point of Destiny's thought experiment).

I'd love to hear your argument for how these changes would "make hisec less safe".

Natsett, I'm no longer sure if you're playing the same game that we are at this point.


Seriously, what part of "-10 gank alts can be shot anywhere, anytime" do you not understand? What part of "kill rights get removed when collected on" do you not understand?


What part of "kill rights are 30 days" do you not understand? What part of "kill rights grant the collector the advantage of alpha strike, and are therefore not a pvp flag" do you not understand?


What part of "CONCORD doesn't engage anyone, even outlaws, unless they have a GCC" do you not understand? Once again, what part of "outlaws can be engaged anywhere" do you not understand?


Finally, a sliver of rational thought, but I still have to ask: what part of "all gank alts are outlaws" do you not understand?


What? You smoking again, bro?

No, seriously, do you understand basic EVE gameplay mechanics at all? You're certainly talking a lot about them, so you should have some degree of familiarity, right? Right?

So the people who are outlaws want to gank without the possibility of retaliation? What?


No, they don't. That's why they're carebears and not say, industrialists, miners, anti-pirates, or any other profession in the game. Carebears are carebears because they want no player interaction whatsoever.


Uh, lol?


lol?


Yeah, on alts. The only time it won't be on alts is when it's not being done for profit, but to **** people off, ie. I have a dozen logistics on standby and the carebear won't win the fight anyway.

Seriously, have you read my OP, or the thread at all? Have you read the key posts that lay out what our actual gripes are with this proposed system?

If you're trolling, congratulations, you're one of the best I've ever seen.

Dear Team super friends,

Please can you add nappies into the nex store. This way certain poor elements of the criminal fraternity who are incapable of rising to a challenging fight can wear these accordingly for any "accidents" that may occur.

I love these arguments where people have an expectation of mechanics and are incapable of adapting to a "corrected" system. Please note it is important to recognise that Bounty Hunting is a corrected process and not a new feature. This is since the criminal element has been operating under a false premise of lack of relatiatory mechanisms for their actions for years and now that there is the possibility of having to engage in PvP we shall see who are in fact the more cunning, intelligent and skillfull criminal as a result.

Heaven forbid that as a result the aspect of criminality will need to adapt and evolve to a profession that needs more than just using advisory spreadsheets to calculate gank profit and loss potentials, consider that at last you might have to engage in a fight with others in order to operate as a criminal. Maybe as a result gameplay could potential be more fun and exciting due to this challenge? Theres a thought eh?

EvE Darwinism at its best, +1 CCP and props to the CSM for supporting interests, roll on Winter, roll on Retribution. *smiles*

Regards,

Grumpy.