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Looking to imnprove standings for trading alts
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Barrak
The Painted Ones
#21 - 2012-10-09 17:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrak
Thanks very much.

I am now researching datacentre agents instread of COSMOS Big smile

I really appreciate the help everyone...... you're making my life so much easier.

Regards

Barrak

ps.... that chart is great.... been looking at it on and off.

Going to see if I can do most of this at the same time.... ie L4 combat missions with Barrak here whilst running datacentres and COSMOS (if needs be) with my alt.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#22 - 2012-10-09 20:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrak
It's probably worth mentioning here that the standings required to use Datacentre agents is your base standing NOT your adjust (skills) standing.

sadly I have fallen short by 0.3 for the level 4 agents :(

*edit*

I may have misinterpreted the data.

Ill post back when i know for sure

One thing is certain, you can't run the career missions and then complete the entire Datacentre agents. Level 4's will be not be accessible at that stage.
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#23 - 2012-10-09 21:13:19 UTC
Most of the tags you can pick up with your trader when his sitting inside the station. I picked up all of the non-expensive ones with buy orders in 2-3 days. Once you have em all, easy to hop there and hand em all in. The expensive ones however, give the highest increase in standings. A 1m per one gave a 10% increase to faction iirc and the 100k ones 0.8%. so the 6/10m per ones should give 10-15% faction standing?

Buuuttt... it all depends how much isk you want to spend and how badly you need it.

As for the cosmos...

I did it for the main and the trader alt at the same time while being dual logged. The main picked up the items from contracts and-or plexes while the alt just sat happily at the agents beacon. Squad warped to the encounter missions with canceling warp on the trader and he hauled the courier items him self, if it was not a pickup a looong way from there.

As for the dessie... it won't hold it's own after you reach lvl2's or 3's. It's much more time efficient to hop into a cruiser (or hac) and blow up all of the lvl3's within minutes and do the hard lvl4's in a bc/bs with the main.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#24 - 2012-10-09 21:31:25 UTC
Thanks again...

I just spent 1B (ish) on tags for Caldari, Ammatta and Amarr.

I skipped the realyl expensive ones for the Amarr and Amattars as I hope between the two of them they will push me above needed them...... lets see.
Doddy
Excidium.
#25 - 2012-10-10 10:49:06 UTC
The early amarr datacentre agents are courier, the first agent (chari sakai) in the chain for example is 5 smallish courier runs of 5 or so jumps = faction standing boost. All of the hi sec amarr missions are doable in a fairly basic bc, and many require items that can be bought cheap on contracts. There are also some amarr agents in the minmatar cosmos (winds them up)
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#26 - 2012-10-10 13:52:44 UTC
Very interesting.

Dot the amarr agents inside the minmatar cosmos give faction for amarr? Logic says they would... but it's inside their enemies cosmos...
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#27 - 2012-10-14 13:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrak
Does anyone know if the standing rewards are relative to what your current standing is or that of the pilot that gets the mission?

I ask as I have completed three missions yet my ALT's standing has not changed, and in my view, it's low enough to have changed at least a little.

My Alt is at a standing of 1.68 and has been rewarded a total of 3.2% standings, yet nothing has changed.

Any advice on whats happening?

Regards

Barrak

ps. I'm getting LP rewards so it seems this issue is just related to standings
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#28 - 2012-10-15 12:20:38 UTC
Anyone?

I've started accepting missions from my ALT now and he is gaining standing just like normal, but I still can't get him to gain from my main.

I appreciate that there is more available from him taking missions but i don't want him waiting around all the time

Regards

Barrak
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#29 - 2012-10-15 12:58:31 UTC
Are you sure you are sharing the rewards with the main? Might need to go into options (esc) and reset the question about sharing rewards.
Iri'yana
Corvus Technologies
#30 - 2012-10-15 13:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Iri'yana
Barrak wrote:

He also has strong Minmatar faction standing (7.81) after running missions for Tribal Liberation Force. However Rens is owned by Brutor Tribe, which I have no standings with, BUT, as I have faction standing I should still be okay?


That would only be partially true in my experience. If you want the standing simply for trading, i.e. to reduce the broker fees associated with setting up trading orders, then you will need BOTH, faction and corporate standing. to reduce the fees to optimal levels.

The graphic linked here should illustrate this:
EVE Market Order Broker Fees

As you are however unable to share faction standing increases between fleet members, your alt may - for more optimal broker fees - have to e.g. either do a bit of missioning on their own (e.g. chaining courier missions for storylines) or turn in dog tags at data centers.

Hope this helps
Iri'yana
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#31 - 2012-10-15 14:56:28 UTC
Iri'yana wrote:
Barrak wrote:

He also has strong Minmatar faction standing (7.81) after running missions for Tribal Liberation Force. However Rens is owned by Brutor Tribe, which I have no standings with, BUT, as I have faction standing I should still be okay?


That would only be partially true in my experience. If you want the standing simply for trading, i.e. to reduce the broker fees associated with setting up trading orders, then you will need BOTH, faction and corporate standing. to reduce the fees to optimal levels.

The graphic linked here should illustrate this:
EVE Market Order Broker Fees

As you are however unable to share faction standing increases between fleet members, your alt may - for more optimal broker fees - have to e.g. either do a bit of missioning on their own (e.g. chaining courier missions for storylines) or turn in dog tags at data centers.

Hope this helps
Iri'yana



Thanks for the reply.

The idea behind my post was that my ALT can get faction standing through Datacentres and then get the CORP stating through my Main running missions.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#32 - 2012-10-15 15:18:41 UTC
Iri'yana wrote:
Barrak wrote:

He also has strong Minmatar faction standing (7.81) after running missions for Tribal Liberation Force. However Rens is owned by Brutor Tribe, which I have no standings with, BUT, as I have faction standing I should still be okay?


That would only be partially true in my experience. If you want the standing simply for trading, i.e. to reduce the broker fees associated with setting up trading orders, then you will need BOTH, faction and corporate standing. to reduce the fees to optimal levels.

The graphic linked here should illustrate this:
EVE Market Order Broker Fees

As you are however unable to share faction standing increases between fleet members, your alt may - for more optimal broker fees - have to e.g. either do a bit of missioning on their own (e.g. chaining courier missions for storylines) or turn in dog tags at data centers.

Hope this helps
Iri'yana



Thanks, I've been using that chart a lot. Only I still don't understand why my ALT is not gaining standing when my Main he sharing it. He is never in the same region, but I understood that to not be a requirement.

ALso.... in relation to that chart, I'm not sure what the ranges on the left signify. Is it simply a range for the colours? ie if I manage to get into the Red do I still need to push harder to ensure that i am on the lower level of the fee's?

Regards

Barra
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-10-15 18:10:12 UTC
The column on the left is just an explanation for what the colors on the chart signify (Broker Fee % (Before Skills)).

Once you get into the red (either by having high faction standing + good corp standing; or good faction standing + high corp standing; or both high faction and corp standing) your broker fee is .4% - you can try to improve that further by further increasing your standings, up to .25%. Note that to get that .25% fee you would need a faction standing of 10.0 which is a practical impossibility.

Your fleeted/shared alt gets standing increases regardless of where in the universe you are (wormholes included). However, only if he is the same system as your missioning character will those gains show up immediately. In all other cases you have to relog to see them.
Iri'yana
Corvus Technologies
#34 - 2012-10-15 18:18:17 UTC
Barrak wrote:

Also.... in relation to that chart, I'm not sure what the ranges on the left signify. Is it simply a range for the colours? ie if I manage to get into the Red do I still need to push harder to ensure that i am on the lower level of the fee's?


You nailed it. It indicates a range of broker fee levels. Thus you can keep pushing and pushing to 10.0 / 10.0 if you like ... altough it may be not really time efficient to due so, considering the ever smaller increases in standing the closer you get to the magical 10.0

Also regarding you question on the amount of standing gained. Here it is my exprience, that for the standing increase in percentage points the level of current standing does not enter the equation ... or else I would not get the exact same percentages for running one and the same mission for one agent over time. The percentage is rather affected by size of the corporation you're missioning for (very important ... but as you are looking for a specific corp. not relevant for you), sec. status of the agent's system, sec. status of the mission site's system and of course the social skill of the char accepting the mission.

The only thing that the current level of standing is relevant for is the absolute increase in standing. The usual, the closer you get to 10.0, the less the next percentage point in standing gains is worth in absolute terms.

And finally on the "nothing has changed" regarding your alts standing. Encountered this "bug" as well ... only it isn't really as much a bug as a time issue. Somehow the standing gains are shown instantly with your alt, but the server takes some time to adjust the final standing result. Simply waiting should solve it and relogging with the alt will definetly do the trick.

Also a nice summary on alt-missioning ... for those following the thread, but having lost the flow of conversation at some point:
Alt Missioning (EVE Uni Wiki)

Iri'yana
Iri'yana
Corvus Technologies
#35 - 2012-10-15 18:21:11 UTC
Seems like Ifly Uwalk is simply typing too fast for me ... or I type too much. *laughs*

Maybe I should change my name into ISnail URabbit ...
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#36 - 2012-10-15 18:21:27 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
The column on the left is just an explanation for what the colors on the chart signify (Broker Fee % (Before Skills)).

Once you get into the red (either by having high faction standing + good corp standing; or good faction standing + high corp standing; or both high faction and corp standing) your broker fee is .4% - you can try to improve that further by further increasing your standings, up to .25%. Note that to get that .25% fee you would need a faction standing of 10.0 which is a practical impossibility.

Your fleeted/shared alt gets standing increases regardless of where in the universe you are (wormholes included). However, only if he is the same system as your missioning character will those gains show up immediately. In all other cases you have to relog to see them.


So there is no real reasoning behind where the colours break, other than to simply have ranges?

OR do the areas of colour signifiy the range with and without skills?

In relation to the standing increases. I've logged in and out a few times and it didn't work......

Regards

Barrak
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-10-16 10:02:03 UTC
Iri'yana wrote:
Seems like Ifly Uwalk is simply typing too fast for me ... or I type too much. *laughs*

Maybe I should change my name into ISnail URabbit ...

Lol
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-10-16 10:09:20 UTC
Barrak wrote:
So there is no real reasoning behind where the colours break, other than to simply have ranges?

Exactly. The colors are simply there to make the chart easier to read. Otherwise you'd just have a graph of black lines criss-crossing each other.Ugh
Barrak wrote:
OR do the areas of colour signifiy the range with and without skills?

It's the range "Before Skills." Look top left.
Barrak wrote:
In relation to the standing increases. I've logged in and out a few times and it didn't work......

Wait for next DT. If you still don't see an increase then, or if you see a percentage increase but no absolute increase, or v.v., it's time to hit F12.
Doddy
Excidium.
#39 - 2012-10-17 08:25:18 UTC
Denal Umbra wrote:
Very interesting.

Dot the amarr agents inside the minmatar cosmos give faction for amarr? Logic says they would... but it's inside their enemies cosmos...


They give amarr standing. It is the same with say the pirate agents in caldari cosmos, they are working for the other side of the story basically, but you can work both sides. The rewards in terms of cosmos bpcs are minmatar however.
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