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a post about complex running

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-10-18 07:47:49 UTC
First of all, the OP has a right to voice his opinion and viewpoints of the game and to question any aspect of it.

Secondly, those who say it's RNG, game working as intended, no nerfs done, etc. bla bla bla, are just posting a standard reply due to not knowing or having any statistics to back them up. They can't show any proof or state where they get their facts because none of them work for CCP. They also don't have any access to any game stats concerning game mechanics, drop rates, nerfs/boosts, etc.


It's sad that whenever a player posts a thread questioning exploration, drops, etc, all of a sudden it get's filled with all kinds of troll posting done by alts trying to make it seem like their word is fact.



P.S.
Multiple Emperor Salazar alts detected in this thread.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-10-18 08:55:00 UTC
Personally I look at it this way:
The reward for running an exploration site isn't the loot itself, but rather the chance of getting that loot. It's about that split second before you open the can with high hopes, not knowing whether it's going to be another Metal Scraps or a 500m faction module. Those moments when you hit the jackpot wouldn't be nearly as sweet if it weren't for all the disappointment in between. Big smile

P.S.: It shouldn't take you more than 2 or 3 minutes to scan down a signature. If you're taking up to an hour to find sites, I (and I mean this in a nice way) suggest you review your scanning technique and reconsider the systems/regions you're scanning in.

Good luck o/
Calisto Thellere
#23 - 2011-10-18 08:55:45 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:
hi im just posting to notify you guys of something quite frustrating me and some corpies keep running into.
so over the past few weeks we've done plex's here n there, some leading to escalation sites and all of which take alot of firepower and time to complete. the frustrating thing is WE KEEP NOT GETTING ANY DAMN DROPS!
what happened?! why are the plexs suddenly not dropping valuable stuff to make up for our lost ships and ammo and time to complete these missions!? im not asking for a 100 billion ISK drop just something to keep up the incentive to scan these sites down which can take up to half an hour sometimes to an hour and then DO the site (another hour or more depending on situation) at least drop SOMETHING that we can sell and make some money and be happy to wanna do it again....
any one else feel the same way?
cheers


First off, if it's taking you 30-60mins to scan down a site 100%, your doing something really wrong. I'm new to exploration and even i can scan a system with 6+ sigs down in under 30mins total, not good by any standard, but i am new at this with pretty poor scanning skills.

Secondly, your answer lies in the very fact these sites a random based.

Using my experiences as an example, i only scan high sec right now, so the best i can find is a 4/10 scout outpost, these can be compared to rocking horse **** in rarity as everyone and their mother is looking for these sites in high. Now, my first week of exploring i managed to find one of these, i switched from my scanny helios into my myrm and ran the site, luckily ( i realize now ) i managed to grab a pithi C-type medium shield booster worth upwards of 350m. This alone got me hooked on exploration.

Now, the following 10 days after that first 4/10 i spent over 4/5hrs each day ( i work full time and have to play around a wife and kids ) scanning and found (in my honest opinion) every frigging wormhole in existence within the EVE universe, along with bucket loads of mag/grav/ladar. I do run radars as it still brought in a relitively decent income, but still couldnt find another 4/10, it got to the point of seriously face desking.
The following day my luck changed, i found the scout outpost, ran it, got another shield booster, score!

To run salt into your obviosly raw wounds, i jumped 1 system over after dropping loot of at HQ station, and found another 4/10 lol
Lucked out though as it only gave up 2 pithi damage resist specific hardeners, but still, LOL.

Right now i have 8 pithi C-types and 2/3 of each damage specific hardener in my hangar ( im hoarding them in the hope the value will rise lol )


That should paint a pretty clear picture of how exploration goes, you can go weeks without finding something good, and then you'll get lucky, just keep hitting them. I've also ran the hideouts/hideaways in the hope of getting an escalation, one did do just that, but wanted me to go from high sec straight into null sec to run a scout outpost, harsh. Even ran a couple of escalations that ran their corse to the very end and got nothing, not even a tag or faction ammo.

Lastly, if your only scanning high sec ( you never specified ) you shouldnt be losing ships. Just sayin'
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2011-10-18 13:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: XXSketchxx
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
First of all, the OP has a right to voice his opinion and viewpoints of the game and to question any aspect of it.


And we have a right to tell him hes a moron for not understanding how basic statistics work.

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Secondly, those who say it's RNG, game working as intended, no nerfs done, etc. bla bla bla, are just posting a standard reply due to not knowing or having any statistics to back them up. They can't show any proof or state where they get their facts because none of them work for CCP. They also don't have any access to any game stats concerning game mechanics, drop rates, nerfs/boosts, etc.


Except for the fact that...we're all still getting drops. In fact, OP got drops too. He just didn't like them.


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It's sad that whenever a player posts a thread questioning exploration, drops, etc, all of a sudden it get's filled with all kinds of troll posting done by alts trying to make it seem like their word is fact.


Whats really sad is how entitled so many explorers are and how they lack a fundamental understanding of how RARITY works.

Whats worse is people like you white knighting these morons.

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P.S.
Multiple Emperor Salazar alts detected in this thread.


Just one actually, this character. Emp is on vacation until next week. But you know, think what you want. Truth is, plenty of people acknowledge how foolish people like you and the OP actually are and they've expressed themselves quite nicely in this thread.

P.S. You get a new loki yet?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2011-10-18 18:38:39 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Just one actually, this character. Emp is on vacation until next week. But you know, think what you want. Truth is, plenty of people acknowledge how foolish people like you and the OP actually are and they've expressed themselves quite nicely in this thread.

P.S. You get a new loki yet?


You only have one alt? OK, if you say so.

So that's what you call it huh, a vacation?

Yeah, I guess Emperor Salazar would need a vacation after losing 1 Raptor and pod along with 2 Tengu's and 1 pod during the month of September. Must say you're lucky you didn't lose a 3rd pod after your 2nd Tengu got ganked. Hmmm, what a shame. And to think all this happened within a couple of weeks, gotta love Karma.

Me foolish? Awww, that really hurts.

What's foolish is you wanting to flame me and thinking my entire post was directed towards you when actually it was just the P.S..

Truth is, plenty of people have acknowledged quite a dislike towards you. But hey, think what you want.

P.S.
Looks like Emperor Salazar's extended vacation truly is the safest way to play right now.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2011-10-18 19:48:53 UTC
Straight
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#27 - 2011-10-18 21:30:42 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

You only have one alt? OK, if you say so.


One alt posting in this thread, yes. Pretty sure I've posted with my other alts (at least 2 of them) and identified myself. That satisfy your paranoia?

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So that's what you call it huh, a vacation?

Yeah, I guess Emperor Salazar would need a vacation after losing 1 Raptor and pod along with 2 Tengu's and 1 pod during the month of September. Must say you're lucky you didn't lose a 3rd pod after your 2nd Tengu got ganked. Hmmm, what a shame. And to think all this happened within a couple of weeks, gotta love Karma.


You really stalking my killboard after I had you pew pewed? Stalker much?

I lost my tengus due to...you know actually leaving high sec and taking risks. **** happens.

You lost your precious Loki because you white knight people on here and I thought I'd mess with you. Suicide ganks are fun amirite?

Forum ban more clear for you? I'm sure you or one of the other crybabies reported me for making you butthurt.

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Me foolish? Awww, that really hurts.


It clearly does. Otherwise, you wouldn't be responding to my "trolling"

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What's foolish is you wanting to flame me and thinking my entire post was directed towards you when actually it was just the P.S..


I just enjoy making you post with tears.

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Truth is, plenty of people have acknowledged quite a dislike towards you. But hey, think what you want.


If I cared about getting people to like me, I'd sign my posts and market my guides in nearly every post I make. I'd also probably not call people idiots.

P.S. I'll continue to flame your white knighting and illicit these delicious "e-mad" tears. Unlike you, I lose a tengu and shrug, its a game and I know the risks I take. You lost a precious Loki....got butthurt and raged.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-10-19 01:31:55 UTC
OK, looks like the facts need to be stated here.

XXSketchxx wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
So that's what you call it huh, a vacation?

Yeah, I guess Emperor Salazar would need a vacation after losing 1 Raptor and pod along with 2 Tengu's and 1 pod during the month of September. Must say you're lucky you didn't lose a 3rd pod after your 2nd Tengu got ganked. Hmmm, what a shame. And to think all this happened within a couple of weeks, gotta love Karma.


You really stalking my killboard after I had you pew pewed? Stalker much?

I lost my tengus due to...you know actually leaving high sec and taking risks. **** happens.

You lost your precious Loki because you white knight people on here and I thought I'd mess with you. Suicide ganks are fun amirite?

Forum ban more clear for you? I'm sure you or one of the other crybabies reported me for making you butthurt.


Yeah, I checked your Battleclinic killboard stats one time, sorry to tell you this but that's not stalking.

Risks? Doesn't matter where it happened, you lost your Raptor, 2 Tengu's and 2 pods due to being hunted, nice try at twisting that around.

I lost my Loki and pod due to you hiring 1/2 dozen Mercs to do a personal attack against me. You must have been really butthurt about this mutual forum flame war between us to do that. Suicide gank was the only way the Mercs could do it due to me being in NPC corp and catching me in high sec. Please get the facts straight.

Forum ban? Please don't even try that poor excuse. You've been posting quite regularly in these forums, maybe missed a day or two here and there but you were still posting.

XXSketchxx wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Truth is, plenty of people have acknowledged quite a dislike towards you. But hey, think what you want.


If I cared about getting people to like me, I'd sign my posts and market my guides in nearly every post I make. I'd also probably not call people idiots.

P.S. I'll continue to flame your white knighting and illicit these delicious "e-mad" tears. Unlike you, I lose a tengu and shrug, its a game and I know the risks I take. You lost a precious Loki....got butthurt and raged.


Ahhh, ok let's get serious now.

First of all, the only time I post the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' is in threads asking how to fix negative standings. Also I'm not the only one to link that 'Plan'. It's been greatly accepted and praised by the Eve Community. I'm sorry if that bothers you so much.

Secondly, I didn't do any 'White Knighting' as you say. I simply stated there wasn't any facts to back up the age old reply of posting statements about RNG, game mechanics working as intended, etc. The only 'E-Mad' tears here seem to be coming from you.

Yeah, I lost a Loki but I sure didn't get all butthurt and emo rage about it. I understand your need to believe otherwise, considering it must have cost you quite a bit of isk to pay the Mercs. Gratz to you for shrugging off the 1 Raptor, 2 Tengu and 2 pod losses. Wow, must have been a long shrug. Considering you logged out of game in the same system as the 2nd Tengu loss (no Pod kill) and stayed out of game for almost a month yet found the time to regularly post on the forums.

Oh yeah, you had some real life stuff to do, right?

Anyway, I was contacted by quite a few different players after your gloating about the assassination hit on me. I have now developed some very good contacts. Personally I'm done with this, go ahead and flame to your hearts content. If you still feel the need to continue this so called 'War' or whatever it is and wanna pay for more Mercs , feel free to do so. The Mercs are the only ones profiting from it. Just remember, it's a two way street.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2011-10-19 12:20:43 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Yeah, I checked your Battleclinic killboard stats one time, sorry to tell you this but that's not stalking.


Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that. How many times did you run a locator agent on me?

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Risks? Doesn't matter where it happened, you lost your Raptor, 2 Tengu's and 2 pods due to being hunted, nice try at twisting that around.


Raptor lost to gatecamp in null while scouting for a fleet. First tengu lost to sniggs because I misjudged my aggression timer, second tengu lost to an arazu/loki pirate combo in low sec because I was lazy. Yeah, definitely "hunted." Whereas, you've left high sec....how many times?

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I lost my Loki and pod due to you hiring 1/2 dozen Mercs to do a personal attack against me. You must have been really butthurt about this mutual forum flame war between us to do that. Suicide gank was the only way the Mercs could do it due to me being in NPC corp and catching me in high sec. Please get the facts straight.


1 Merc corp actually. But I guess when you are a pubbie target and have never experienced eve combat in years of playing it might seem that way. And I just wanted to see how you'd take a loss. You've exceeded my expectations. This is fun as hell.

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Forum ban? Please don't even try that poor excuse. You've been posting quite regularly in these forums, maybe missed a day or two here and there but you were still posting.


...why would I post on Sketch if my main wasn't banned? Are you really that stupid?

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Secondly, I didn't do any 'White Knighting' as you say. I simply stated there wasn't any facts to back up the age old reply of posting statements about RNG, game mechanics working as intended, etc. The only 'E-Mad' tears here seem to be coming from you.


Me e-mad? I'm enjoying every second of this. Every response I get out of you is comedy gold. I've managed to troll you in-game and out of game. Its fantastic.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2011-10-19 12:20:58 UTC
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Yeah, I lost a Loki but I sure didn't get all butthurt and emo rage about it.


I have chat logs that say otherwise. I can't post them, as that's against forum rules, but yeah, feel free to not blatantly lie to save face. Its okay. I'd rage too if my first ever loss after years of playing was to some suicide gankers hired by someone who just wanted to mess with me.

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I understand your need to believe otherwise, considering it must have cost you quite a bit of isk to pay the Mercs.


They were quite affordable actually. I was rather surprised.

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[Gratz to you for shrugging off the 1 Raptor, 2 Tengu and 2 pod losses. Wow, must have been a long shrug. Considering you logged out of game in the same system as the 2nd Tengu loss (no Pod kill) and stayed out of game for almost a month yet found the time to regularly post on the forums.


Cause Emp is the only player I can play on right? Or maybe my primary money maker and just maybe I have others for pew pew fun? Refitting tengus takes time and effort and I'm lazy as hell.

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Anyway, I was contacted by quite a few different players after your gloating about the assassination hit on me. I have now developed some very good contacts.


I'll be sure to shake in my boots for fear of the dangerous people you now know, my pubbie friend.

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Personally I'm done with this, go ahead and flame to your hearts content. If you still feel the need to continue this so called 'War' or whatever it is and wanna pay for more Mercs , feel free to do so. The Mercs are the only ones profiting from it. Just remember, it's a two way street.


You're hilarious. Your posts and responses to the attack are more reward than I could have ever asked for. Your corpse is pretty nice though too.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2011-10-19 12:21:33 UTC
PS:

tinman44
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#32 - 2011-11-06 02:34:00 UTC
This post got real ugly.

Anyway, I'm starting a more serious post about complexes shortly, I'm a complex nub.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2011-11-06 04:36:17 UTC
tinman44 wrote:
This post got real ugly.

Anyway, I'm starting a more serious post about complexes shortly, I'm a complex nub.


Better than a Simple nub.

Hi OP, RNGs are fun mmmkay, 5 sites isn't statistically significant. (I don't have the population size [total number of plexes run in EVE per day] but I suspect that 100 in a day isn't statistically significant) So the only way to judge changing odds of drops in plexes would be to track the price of the mods that drop. (Assuming demand and the rate which plexes are run remain constant)

There's also no way to even guess at the absolute odds of a drop unless you collect data on a truly enormous sample of plexes (or bribe a dev).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

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