Ships & Modules

Slighly?

Rokh and Abaddon have about 3 times to the buffer of a their tier 3 counter parts.

Talos can't mount a plate and Neutrons, and if you want to compare shield fits a nano-hype is nothing to sneeze at with 1200 DPS and a 85k eHP with links running ands with dual nanos you can run down a Drake with it.

Tornado, what can you say, a Maelstrom ****** a fleet stabber, that is a beautiful thing. However, with ACs nano-phoons and and pests are fast enough and have neuts, and a heavy neut is no laughing matter.

To me, the greatest problem with BS is their scan resolution. A BS is a state-of-the-art ship and yet, they have one of the worst scan resolution of every subcap ship in this game. The abaddon has 85 scan res VS 75 for the orca. A BS should have the best computer, not a Pentium 2 taking 45sec for targetting a frig.

I read this, and I wonder if you have ever flown a battleship before. Hell, if you have ever engaged in actual PvP before.

Battleships excel at a number of things. Please, go tell Rooks and Kings that their battleship fleets are obsolete, and they should go scrap them, because they are useless. Go tell the CFC that their alpha fleet is useless, and they should go re-process them all (ok, so they aren't getting used much atm, but that is because they don't do great against tengu's). Go tell the HBC that their foxcats are worthless, and that their rohkfleet is a waste of minerals. Go tell the WH's that their vindicators, mach's, abaddons, megathrons, etc. are all useless.

What is not mentioned here - skirmishing, small scale engagements, faction warfare. What does this tell you?

Battleships are doing what they are designed to do - engage in large scale warfare, usually to back up capital fleets. They engage in situations where mobility isn't paramount, as it is in small scale engagements. Now, are they the only thing on that stage? No, drakefleet competes with them, as does tengufleet. And AHAC's compete on the smaller scale (say, 30-70, though their ability to actually win is greatly reduced the larger the fleet gets - they do significantly better against drakefleet though). Teir 3's can skirmish with them, but they can't effectively engage except against small battleship fleets.

Are all battleships balanced? No. You will rarely see a domi anymore. The phoon is a rarity (probably due to the necessary skills to make it work). The raven is straight up lol-tastic, but that is really more attributable to the state of large missiles. The hyperion suffers from the active tanking bonus, and the megathron has kind of lost its niche (I have however seen signs that it may soon be re-discovered as a fleet ship), though it is still used in WH PvP. But you do see all the amarr ships in fleets. The scorpion and the rohk both have places. The maelstrom and the pest both have places.

They are no longer the mega super-destruction ships they were in the past. And I do miss my solo megathron. But aside from the few examples above, they all see use. And, here is the most important part - they don't make every single other ship obsolete... like they used to.

-Arazel

the only thing bothering the battleships...is the drake.

Except your point is wrong. Battleships aren't that good with caps on the field. We use Tengus for that specific reason, GTFO factor.

..and your snarky is on EvE24 right now read the 4-0/49- battle report.

The Foxcats were getting wrecked under a cyno jammper with logis we lost maybe 2 ships to something like 20 before they bailed back for 49- where they hid under ECM busting supers and had their usual cap support.

But feel free to take on foxcats when you are outnumbered in sub cap capital and supers and feel free to stay on the field and get farmed.

Better battleships have already been built. They're called Naga, Oracle, Tornado and Talos. Not slow as ****, not booring as **** and they bring the cowbell you need.

biggest issue I have is that going up one size in guns results in a mere 33% increase in DPS... for massive penalties in tracking and sig res (and cap use for hybrids/lasers).

What I'd really like to see, is the loss of size specific bonuses.

That armageddon of yours... imagine if you could fit medium size lasers, and still get the ROF bonus.... you'll only do 75% the max DPS of a Armageddon with large guns, and you'll have reduced range... but much better ability to hit small targets...

Imagine the surprise when a frigate lands on top of a mega, and finds the mega sporting 7 Light Neutron Blasters with +7.5% tracking & +5% damage per level...

Then Imagine what happens to that mega when another mega lands at 10km, and starts pounding it with mega neutron blasters
-> 77% more DPS, 10km falloff, 7.2 km optimal vs 2.5km falloff, 1.5km optimal - 4x better falloff, 4.8x better optimal - that mega fit with small guns gets blown out of the water.

Its balanced, and makes battleships more versatile

This or, we need more modules like the assault launchers. Where they are cruiser sized weapons that fire frig sized ammo. Imagine a blaster setup that is a BS weapon but fires cruiser size ammo and has almost cruiser class blaster tracking. With long range weapons this isn't so much a big deal because with enough range tracking becomes less of an issue, but with up close weapons I think it would be a great addition to the game.

All battleships need a buff.

By WW II this was the case. Prior to the introduction of the aircraft carrier, Battleships were pretty much an I-win button.

They shouldn't be an I-win button in EVE, because I-win buttons break the game. Battleships have their niche and they're heavily used within it. Soloing around and pwnsaucing is not that niche.