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LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-10-13 15:56:12 UTC
Darth Khasei wrote:
LT Alter wrote:
You aren't looking at the changes being made to lessen highsec pvp and push pvpers to low/null, also the changes made to protect those who want protection. CCP wants pvp in low/null and carebears in high, this will not work very long at all...


No they don't and you saying they do does not make it so man. Really mate just let the system have a chance, since you cannot possibly predict how "everyone else" is going to adjust to these changes.

People predict doom each and every issue, so you just need to get in line man.


Keep watching the change logs closely, eventually you will understand what I am talking about.

They really do want eve to be this way.
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-10-13 15:58:07 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Is Eve dying?

Easy answer; No.

Subscriptions go up every year like clockwork.

Next thread.


Give me a link to show me a rising sub count, CCP has not talked about nor shown a sub count for months and I bet there is a reason behind this. NTM read above sub counts won't matter if the system turns into what CCP wants it to be.
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-10-13 16:00:42 UTC
Treo 'Ssard wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
what if it was your play style that was on the line? What if the things you love about EVE were to suddenly be taken away from you?


I would adapt, or I would move on.


Yep, you would move on. To a different game. The same way we will when CCP screws this dog to the point where it will never walk again.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#84 - 2012-10-13 16:56:14 UTC
LT Alter wrote:
Keep watching the change logs closely, eventually you will understand what I am talking about.

They really do want eve to be this way.


I have been man and you are just spouting the "exact" same thing someone has spouted for each and every issue release over the past three years I have played the game. Give me a dollar for every single time I have heard the "exact" same argument about this or that change to the game. I mean according to you people nobody should be playing EVE "right now" based on the "exact" same kind of dooms calls I have heard for three years.

There was a time when PI was introduced that was all I did aside from my regular marketing. It was great and fit perfectly into what I wanted to do. Guess what...they changed it completely within the next six months totally ruining what I had set up.

Guess what I didn't quit I adapted as do most people and those that don't GOODBYE, the rest of us "will" be hear when you come back.
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-10-13 17:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: LT Alter
Darth Khasei wrote:
LT Alter wrote:
Keep watching the change logs closely, eventually you will understand what I am talking about.

They really do want eve to be this way.


I have been man and you are just spouting the "exact" same thing someone has spouted for each and every issue release over the past three years I have played the game. Give me a dollar for every single time I have heard the "exact" same argument about this or that change to the game. I mean according to you people nobody should be playing EVE "right now" based on the "exact" same kind of dooms calls I have heard for three years.

There was a time when PI was introduced that was all I did aside from my regular marketing. It was great and fit perfectly into what I wanted to do. Guess what...they changed it completely within the next six months totally ruining what I had set up.

Guess what I didn't quit I adapted as do most people and those that don't GOODBYE, the rest of us "will" be hear when you come back.


The dooms were avoided by those screaming it out, you may not believe it so but stuff like the incarna protest were started by those screaming dooms and forcing CCP to make changes. I'm yelling for change to help save the game, not to scare you all in to quitting...

Also PI is not a play style is a way of making isk. CCP is removing my entire playstyle and trying to push me and others in to low and null...
Arduemont
The State of War.
#86 - 2012-10-13 18:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
LT Alter wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Is Eve dying?

Easy answer; No.

Subscriptions go up every year like clockwork.

Next thread.


Give me a link to show me a rising sub count, CCP has not talked about nor shown a sub count for months and I bet there is a reason behind this. NTM read above sub counts won't matter if the system turns into what CCP wants it to be.


http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

There. Apparently its in a small dip at the moment, as there usually is just before a expansion release. Business as usual, I see no fail cascade like you seem to think there is. Seriously, you could have looked this **** up. Instead you blabbed to the forums, about stuff you really know nothing about and then get pissed off at all the people contradicting you.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-10-13 18:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: LT Alter
Arduemont wrote:
LT Alter wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Is Eve dying?

Easy answer; No.

Subscriptions go up every year like clockwork.

Next thread.


Give me a link to show me a rising sub count, CCP has not talked about nor shown a sub count for months and I bet there is a reason behind this. NTM read above sub counts won't matter if the system turns into what CCP wants it to be.


http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

There. Apparently its in a small dip at the moment, as there usually is just before a expansion release. Business as usual, I see no fail cascade like you seem to think there is. Seriously, you could have looked this **** up. Instead you blabbed to the forums, and stuff youf rankly know nothing about and then get pissed off at all the people contradicting you.


Funny, it falls in to place with the release of inferno and the mentioned plans for retribution.... I was taught not to believe in coincidences...

And also, I did look it up previously. But you have not read what I have had to say. Eve is not dieing as of now, CCP are making choices that WILL CAUSE IT TO die. Please read all of what I have said rather than make blind assumptions.
Arduemont
The State of War.
#88 - 2012-10-13 18:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
LT Alter wrote:
Eve is not dieing as of now, CCP are making choices that WILL CAUSE IT TO die.


Well that's convenient for you.

We'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't see a great deal of point continuing to argue with you. But in a years time, or two, or three or four when this didn't happen as you said it would, I like to think I wont have to say I told you so. But in all likelihood you will still be here saying Eve is dying (or going to).

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-10-13 18:51:48 UTC
You're mad that you can't find small gang pvp or that you think you can't suicide gank miners?

And you're mad that people choose to play a certian way; soEVE isn't a sandbox?

Did I understand correctly?
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-10-13 19:55:37 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
LT Alter wrote:
Eve is not dieing as of now, CCP are making choices that WILL CAUSE IT TO die.


Well that's convenient for you.

We'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't see a great deal of point continuing to argue with you. But in a years time, or two, or three or four when this didn't happen as you said it would, I like to think I wont have to say I told you so. But in all likelihood you will still be here saying Eve is dying (or going to).


You seem to think that my reason for making this thread is to predict the end of eve, when my entire reasoning is to protect the game I so much love. My predictions are based on not of the ideas or features CCP has coming out, it is their overall plan and base of releasing them that will cause problems (Note: I have no posted a single resentment towards upcoming changes to the system, only on what CCP plans on doing to the game) The ENTIRE purpose of this thread is to make light on the fact that what CCP wants to do will kill the game and get support from the player base to help me stop them from doing so.
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-10-13 19:59:52 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
You're mad that you can't find small gang pvp or that you think you can't suicide gank miners?

And you're mad that people choose to play a certian way; soEVE isn't a sandbox?

Did I understand correctly?


Nope, notice not a single mention of resentment towards upcoming changes. I'm mad that CCP is planning on structuring the sandbox and thus making it not a sandbox. Not to mention the fact that their plan for this system will cause major issues that will eventually lead to crashing in game economy and plex prices leading to drop in subs, crash in amount of PVP and by the time everything is fixed if Eve is still even around it will be limping very badly. Do not misinterpret my reasoning on posting this thread.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#92 - 2012-10-13 21:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Arduemont wrote:
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

There. Apparently its in a small dip at the moment, as there usually is just before a expansion release. Business as usual, I see no fail cascade like you seem to think there is. Seriously, you could have looked this **** up. Instead you blabbed to the forums, about stuff you really know nothing about and then get pissed off at all the people contradicting you.

Unlike my friend here, I don't think EVE is yet heading in the direction of death. I do, however, see a problem with the sub count going up while the average player count on TQ is going down (slightly). The upcoming changes will only exasperate this trend.

When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.

Alter, learn to quote more than once per post, seriously.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-10-13 21:44:19 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png

There. Apparently its in a small dip at the moment, as there usually is just before a expansion release. Business as usual, I see no fail cascade like you seem to think there is. Seriously, you could have looked this **** up. Instead you blabbed to the forums, about stuff you really know nothing about and then get pissed off at all the people contradicting you.

Unlike my friend here, I don't think EVE is yet heading in the direction of death. I do, however, see a problem with the sub count going up while the average player count on TQ is going down (slightly). The upcoming changes will only exasperate this trend.

When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.

Alter, learn to quote more than once per post, seriously.



But posting more = more bumpage NTM I'm lazy....
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
Feign Disorder
#94 - 2012-10-13 21:53:00 UTC
oh noes pvp in highsec will now come with risks? why ccp why! I hate loosing my ships especially to those darn carebears. guess i'll have to join some uber 0.0 pvp corp...oh wait i'm in one allready. i guess you guys will have to join my corp.
Herr Hammer Draken
#95 - 2012-10-13 22:19:43 UTC
LT Alter wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
I completely stand by what I said. I did not play your eve, I could have but chose not to. Recent changes got me to play eve.
And I bet there are a lot more like me out there as well. And no not ex wow players. That is not a game I ever had interest in.


You're missing the point, this new Eve you are coming is not the same game that has survived for years and gained playerbase steadily since it's release. It may be better in your mind for the moment, and let it be known I do not think eve should go back to the past. I want eve to stand by what it was founded to be, a sandbox, and massive killzone, a no place is safe, that is the game we all want to play and as long as CCP endorses this type of Game I will be happy as will many others. Now go look, what do you see. This is not what Eve is becoming, they are starting to place more restrictions and making high sec a safe zone.


I do not see it that way at all. What I see is risk for the criminals that have preyed upon high sec in absolute safety. Up til now a criminal could fly around in absolute safety in high sec as long as his sec status was above -5 and could take his time and size up a target. What I am saying is he had all the factors under his control while he executed his profession. That is not a sandbox for that player IMHO. He is free to force sandbox on everybody else. I see this as a balance which makes the hunter also hunted.
I have heard it said but he looses his ship to concord and that is risk. I say BS that is calculated into the equation already before the gank happens. The ganker does not gank until he knows he will come out ahead. That is not risk at all. That is a sandbox in only one direction. Now we have a real sandbox. That is why I am in this game now.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-10-14 00:04:29 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:


When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.



When did EVE ever require alts to be effective?
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-10-14 02:19:44 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
oh noes pvp in highsec will now come with risks? why ccp why! I hate loosing my ships especially to those darn carebears. guess i'll have to join some uber 0.0 pvp corp...oh wait i'm in one allready. i guess you guys will have to join my corp.


I haven't mentioned one thing about this, I have no idea where you are getting this thought that I care about the changes being made in Retribution. I am merely expressing the fact that I believe what CCP plan on doing will cause their game to essentially die, very soon.
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-10-14 02:21:28 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:


When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.



When did EVE ever require alts to be effective?


To be good? You don't need one, to be effective then yes you need one, two, or 14 alts like me.
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#99 - 2012-10-14 02:36:23 UTC
nice troll of OP.. posting without substance and getting replies too.. kudos!
LT Alter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-10-14 02:59:42 UTC
Tres Farmer wrote:
nice troll of OP.. posting without substance and getting replies too.. kudos!


Substance is the discussion on my statements, read the pages and you will see more backing on each of my statements.