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Incursions Do Not Cause Inflation
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-10-13 23:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Anyone who thinks so is a communistRoll

Quote:

Liberation of Yestadan complete
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2012.10.13 13:57

[REDACTED]


Yestadan has been freed from the invading Sansha forces. Your efforts in this matter have not gone unnoticed and we are awarding you loyalty points. More details can be found in the Journal.

In addition, we wish to honor the following pilots, whose individual contribution exceeded everyone else:

1 Tim fromaccounting 315915
2 Miyoko Asukai 315915
3 Robaeus Invictus 299831
4 BaT21 255360
5 FiercelessTiger 250292
6 Mischka C 234272
7 Staples Optima 223518
8 Katarina Musana 215180
9 jugshot 203839

CONCORD


Now for some math. It's amazing how people cringe and get defensive when you have math to back up your claims.

Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions.

Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set.

Now it takes an average of 39 people to run an incursion in TVP, so we can multiply that by 39 and discover that 45.5 BILLION isk was injected into the butt cheeks of the EVE economy from THIS ONE SET OF INCURSIONS!

I believe there is no evidence that incursions are inflationary for LP and ISKLol

EDIT: Yes that was sarcasm. Incursions are terrifyingly efficient at destroying the economy.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#2 - 2012-10-13 23:03:25 UTC
wat
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-13 23:24:30 UTC
Communism is the best form of government. If only humans were capable of running it properly.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#4 - 2012-10-13 23:27:19 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Communism is the best form of government. If only humans were capable of running it properly.

Yeah... in fact, humans seem to be responsible for most of the "bad" governments rather than the government type.


Maybe we should give in now and just let the cats rule.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#5 - 2012-10-13 23:45:46 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Anyone who thinks so is a communistRoll

…

Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions.

Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set.


How long did it take to run each site?

How much downtime was there waiting for new pilots as people went to bed, got disconnected or otherwise interrupted the fleet?

From the time he started looking for a fleet to the time he finished for that session, what was his average ISK/hr?

How much of the ISK earned in incursions is going to be burned up by purchasing items from LP stores?

How much time do these people spend waiting for a fleet?

Come back to us when you have the answers to these questions and perhaps you will be able to figure out for yourself that incursions are no longer the ISK flood they were back when spamming 2-minute OTAs all day was the highest ISK/hr occupation for spaceship pilots.

Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield.

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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-10-13 23:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Mara Rinn wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Anyone who thinks so is a communistRoll

…

Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions.

Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set.


How long did it take to run each site?

How much downtime was there waiting for new pilots as people went to bed, got disconnected or otherwise interrupted the fleet?

From the time he started looking for a fleet to the time he finished for that session, what was his average ISK/hr?

How much of the ISK earned in incursions is going to be burned up by purchasing items from LP stores?

How much time do these people spend waiting for a fleet?

Come back to us when you have the answers to these questions and perhaps you will be able to figure out for yourself that incursions are no longer the ISK flood they were back when spamming 2-minute OTAs all day was the highest ISK/hr occupation for spaceship pilots.

Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield.


Pffft, I was there. It took at most 20 minutes per site and that most was because the FC botched the targeting order and made something spawn too soon.

Oh yeah I only waited for a fleet of 10 minutes.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#7 - 2012-10-13 23:53:31 UTC
wait till timfromaccounting discovers FW

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-10-14 00:12:21 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Anyone who thinks so is a communistRoll

…

Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions.

Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set.


How long did it take to run each site?

How much downtime was there waiting for new pilots as people went to bed, got disconnected or otherwise interrupted the fleet?

From the time he started looking for a fleet to the time he finished for that session, what was his average ISK/hr?

How much of the ISK earned in incursions is going to be burned up by purchasing items from LP stores?

How much time do these people spend waiting for a fleet?

Come back to us when you have the answers to these questions and perhaps you will be able to figure out for yourself that incursions are no longer the ISK flood they were back when spamming 2-minute OTAs all day was the highest ISK/hr occupation for spaceship pilots.

Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield.


Pffft, I was there. It took at most 20 minutes per site and that most was because the FC botched the targeting order and made something spawn too soon.

Oh yeah I only waited for a fleet of 10 minutes.


I remember back in my day, we did those in 15 minutes flat, your ISK/Hour is nothing bro~
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#9 - 2012-10-14 00:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Now lets take the stats from CCP Diagoras on payouts from last Febuary & compare them to the presentday payouts per month & what do we get? CCP Soundwave admitting CCP broke Incursions Cry
It'll be interesting to see3 what Dr E says about the popularity & success of Incursions pre & post Escalation next fanfest Shocked

Incursions now inject maybe 1.5 trillion per month in payouts WormHole blue loot is still upwards of 9 trillion ISK per month
Bounties probably close to 38-40 trillion per month.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-10-14 01:10:23 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield.


maybe you should come to nullsec and run havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu in the "perfect safety" of the nullsec "blue shield"

lol

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-10-14 01:11:11 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Incursions now inject maybe 1.5 trillion per month in payouts WormHole blue loot is still upwards of 9 trillion ISK per month
Bounties probably close to 38-40 trillion per month.


unlike incursions there is actual risk in wormholes and 'bounties' includes everything from shooting frigate rats in newbie missions to killing battleship rats in nullsec

hth

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
The Lost Drone Society
#12 - 2012-10-14 01:25:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Incursions now inject maybe 1.5 trillion per month in payouts WormHole blue loot is still upwards of 9 trillion ISK per month
Bounties probably close to 38-40 trillion per month.


unlike incursions there is actual risk in wormholes and 'bounties' includes everything from shooting frigate rats in newbie missions to killing battleship rats in nullsec

hth


But that would be off topic (yeah, troll thread, but still off topic) as in that risk has nothing to do with ISK inflation.

I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
Hypercake Mix
#13 - 2012-10-14 01:49:30 UTC
SOMEONE has to PvE to pay all those ISK sinks.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#14 - 2012-10-14 02:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Posting in stealth incursions advertisement for noobs thread.

P. S. There are ~ 100 people farming incursions at any given moment of time(40 ppl fleet of TVP + smaller fleets in ISN, GIP, TDF, DIN) who getting ~ 50mil ISK per hour. That's ridiculous compared to thousands of people involved into null-sec ratting @ 50-90mil / hour in bounties.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#15 - 2012-10-14 02:39:48 UTC
I don't know WH or Incursions, But I thought that stuff was lp and salvage. My understanding is lp and salvage can be exchanged for stuff that can be sold for ISk. Injecting ISK would be bounties from rats and missions, right? Wait what's the point of this thread. I'm out.

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-10-14 02:42:39 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Posting in hidden incursions advertisement for noobs thread.

P. S. There are ~ 100 people farming incursions at any given moment of time(40 ppl fleet of TVP + smaller fleets in ISN, GIP, TDF, DIN) who getting ~ 50mil ISK per hour. That's ridiculous compared to thousands of people involved into null-sec ratting @ 50-90mil / hour in bounties.

and still far nothing compared to the more ridiculous thousands of people involved in hi-sec mission running.... Big smile

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Rengerel en Distel
#17 - 2012-10-14 02:51:06 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Posting in hidden incursions advertisement for noobs thread.

P. S. There are ~ 100 people farming incursions at any given moment of time(40 ppl fleet of TVP + smaller fleets in ISN, GIP, TDF, DIN) who getting ~ 50mil ISK per hour. That's ridiculous compared to thousands of people involved into null-sec ratting @ 50-90mil / hour in bounties.

and still far nothing compared to the more ridiculous thousands of people involved in hi-sec mission running.... Big smile


of course the high sec mission runners are making much less than 50M isk/h on average.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#18 - 2012-10-14 02:56:30 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

EDIT: Yes that was sarcasm. Incursions are terrifyingly efficient at destroying the economy.


Oh good, I thought you were serious for a moment there. Big smile

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#19 - 2012-10-14 02:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Michael1995 wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

EDIT: Yes that was sarcasm. Incursions are terrifyingly efficient at destroying the economy.


Oh good, I thought you were serious for a moment there. Big smile


You want to see something that is "terrifyingly efficient at destroying" a market just look at FACTION WARFARE & THE IMPLANTS MARKETAttention Especially the attribute 'plant deflation & the reduced ISK sinks per item of this inelastic demand.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#20 - 2012-10-14 03:13:12 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Pffft, I was there. It took at most 20 minutes per site …

Oh yeah I only waited for a fleet of 10 minutes.


You need to recalibrate your clock. Use an actual clock next time, not your innate sense of the passing of time.

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