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Please stop yelling TROLL. I'm just new.

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Vyvica
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-18 06:51:02 UTC
Okay. I have some questions but every time I ask the Rookie Chat they just type "TROLL" over and over and talk about the F13 key.

These might be questions I've overlooked the answer to and I'm kind of getting scared to keep asking stuff since it probably does sound stupid to the average EVE player and IM NOT A TROLL just a noob.

1.) What is AUR and how did I get the 1.500 that's in my wallet?
2.) What are the slaves, dancers and medicines used for in the market section?
3.) When you press esc; what does, Redeem items, convert and petition do/mean?
4.) What happens when I click the "show hint" X's in the mapscreen? I keep trying them but nothing happens.
5.) Jita was on my systems to avoid list, why is that and should I leave it that way?
6.)Why does everyone respond to my questions with "TROLL''? (Are my questions really that stupid)

Thanks for helping me! On my search for answers I have learned that: Dumping water on my computer helps speed up performance by 40% and The F13 key is under my computer and will require a screw driver to access. kthx! ^^
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#2 - 2011-10-18 06:56:56 UTC
Rookie chat is a cess-pool (the "Help" channel is a bit better, or try the "E-UNI" channel).

1) AUR is Aurum and CCP has been giving out as part of a marketing promotion. You spend it at the NEX store. If you want more Aurum, then you convert a PLEX (worth 30 days of game time) into Aurum.

2) Slaves / Dancers / Medicines are flavor items. Some of them are used in construction out in null-sec (Scientists and Janitors?).

3) Redeem Items - used if you buy something from CCP (like a PLEX), Convert GTC is if you buy a game time card frrom a 3rd party seller like Shattered Crystal and you want to turn that GTC into a PLEX for use in-game. Petition button would be used to submit a petition (help request) to the GMs.

4) I never use the in-game map, go to DotLan's map instead (http://evemaps.dotlan.net).

5) Jita is the main trade hub, usually has way too many pilots in local. If you want to travel to Jita, set it as your destination and the auto-pilot will take you there, otherwise the autopilot will steer you around Jita using the other systems that surround it.

6) EVE's player population ranges from the angsty teen to the socially challenged adult. In general, the more people who are in the channel, the more trolls you'll run into. Don't bother trying to chat people up using the local channel in trade hubs and try to find channels that are well moderated by players / GMs.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2011-10-18 07:37:48 UTC
Vyvica wrote:

1.) What is AUR and how did I get the 1.500 that's in my wallet?
2.) What are the slaves, dancers and medicines used for in the market section?
3.) When you press esc; what does, Redeem items, convert and petition do/mean?
4.) What happens when I click the "show hint" X's in the mapscreen? I keep trying them but nothing happens.
5.) Jita was on my systems to avoid list, why is that and should I leave it that way?
6.)Why does everyone respond to my questions with "TROLL''? (Are my questions really that stupid)


1a. AUR (also called "Aurum") is the exclusive currency of the Nobel Exchange market (see: CCP's first tentative steps into the world of microtransactions... which will be limited to "vanity only"... or so we hope). That AUR that you have received is part of a PR effort where players submit screenshots and other media to show how "real" EVE is to them.

2s. They are commodities used to build/fuel various POSs ("Player Owned Stations"), build other commodities (some usable by players themselves), and/or build/fuel massive "outposts" in 0.0 to -1.0 space. For many people though, the items are just fuddy-duddy things we keep around for giggles.

3a. The "Redeem Items" button is something you use to "claim" PLEX (30-day gametime e-cards) and/or "gift ships" that CCP occasionally gives out for funsies.

4a. Dunno. Never used that option before.

5a. Jita is a system that has more or less been declared as the central market hub of the game. At any given time you have about 600+ people in there (usually more) and it is laggy as hell. Your map has probably set Jita to "avoid" so you don't wind up going there as a passerby and lagging out in the middle of the system.

6a. Understand something... there are a great many helpful people out there... but they tend to avoid places where others congregate and generally keep to themselves. As a result, you are left dealing with a disproportionate amount of tardos who actively seek out the more populated areas and/or chats (especially "Local" chat).
My advice... privately convo someone who seems to be minding his/her own business. Worst thing they can say is that they are busy... so try and try again until you find someone more understanding.
Vyvica
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-18 09:02:11 UTC
Thank you! I've been playing this for about a month now and I really like this game. I just want to know so many things and when I google some of my questions I get links to sites where people are talking about stuff like it's common "civilian" non Eve playing knowledge.

Any other things people could tell me would be wonderful! I don't know much at all. Just stuff people have taken their time to teach me. Any particular skills that's best to focus on at first and hints.

Thank you, Thank you! ^.^


If you join a fleet can another new player complete missions with you so you both complete them at once?

and say I bought something for 1,000 isk in one region and in the market it's selling for 3,000 isk; can you go to the more pricey region to resell the item? (I've boughten many items I either can't use or have doubles, and triples of. ( I need my isk back because people in the low sec area sunk my ship. (Until I learned that low sec means, "Dangerous".)
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#5 - 2011-10-18 09:43:59 UTC
People often fleet up with missions. When they're handed in, you share the benefits (money, LP, standings) Well, you share them, if the person handing it in wants to. The only difference is that only the person accepting the mission gets the storyline missions.

If someone has some of the various leadership skills, you get boosts to some statistics. like speed, resistances, and so on. They may not be massive, but every little helps.


As for the trade question, yes. that's pretty much the core of region trading. However, you have a limited number of sell orders (which can be increased with skills), so be careful. And remember just because something is listed at a value, it doesn't mean it sells. Check the price history tab.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#6 - 2011-10-18 09:56:49 UTC
Vyvica wrote:

If you join a fleet can another new player complete missions with you so you both complete them at once?


No, you can only share the rewards for a mission. But if 2 pilots have the same mission from the same agent, they are still treated as two separate missions and both need to be completed separately. You will, however, receive the rewards both both missions and these can be shared.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#7 - 2011-10-18 10:03:59 UTC
I don't know why Jita is in the "avoid" list - if it's by design and default or what.
What surprised me is that no one mentioned one reasonable guess as to why, if it is - in fact by design.

Apart from the fact that everyone and their dogs go to Jita to shop - it is also filled with scammer and griefers that like nothing more than get all your isk for 1 unit of something worthless, lure you into taking stuff that isn't yours to take and then kill you, etc etc.

Be very aware of this if go to Jita as a new player (or ever really).
GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#8 - 2011-10-18 10:17:49 UTC
Chal0ner wrote:
I don't know why Jita is in the "avoid" list - if it's by design and default or what.
What surprised me is that no one mentioned one reasonable guess as to why, if it is - in fact by design.

Apart from the fact that everyone and their dogs go to Jita to shop - it is also filled with scammer and griefers that like nothing more than get all your isk for 1 unit of something worthless, lure you into taking stuff that isn't yours to take and then kill you, etc etc.

Be very aware of this if go to Jita as a new player (or ever really).


Yes, Jita is on the avoid list by design. This was done because many new players had to pass through it on autopilot and got stuck in the system due to congestion. These days our hardware is beefy enough to handle Jita quite well (Jita is on a reinforced node 24/7 these days), but about 1.5 to 2 years ago Jita became unresponsive at peak times.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#9 - 2011-10-18 10:27:04 UTC
Most things in Jita, on Local, are scams. If it sounds too good to be true, it will be. People selling things below buy price, people looking to buy above sell. They're scams. Just read the contract and you'll see.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2011-10-18 11:29:40 UTC
Vyvica wrote:
Thank you! I've been playing this for about a month now and I really like this game. I just want to know so many things and when I google some of my questions I get links to sites where people are talking about stuff like it's common "civilian" non Eve playing knowledge.

Any other things people could tell me would be wonderful! I don't know much at all. Just stuff people have taken their time to teach me. Any particular skills that's best to focus on at first and hints.

Thank you, Thank you! ^.^
You will find the EVE New Citizens Q&A forum much more tolerant of questions, though there are still some here that call troll at the drop of a hat.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-18 11:38:38 UTC
a tip for newbies

NEVER autopilot an industrial even in high sec if your carrying stuff to Jita...... many high sec hauler gankers lay in waiting in the travel routes between amarr and jita and in the jita and its surrounding systems.

They are gank fitted and will one shot u 99% of the time.

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.

Vyvica
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-18 19:59:58 UTC
I've scanned the chat room and heard people talk and I think that auto pilot thing brings up another question. I have been told over and over "Do Not Auto-Pilot!" It's so hard not to though when you're new and still catching on and figuring out the best way to manuever your mouse, multi task the Eve windows and continue on to your destination. a bad habit I started. ;)

I'm assuming there is a way to point out certain people who are on auto-pilot, maybe it the speed of the ship around the star gate?

I'm hearing input by different players and it's ranging from, "Caldari sucks", "Caldari only sucks for (pew-pew) only" (I think I know that term now but I'm not positive ;) ), "Caldari does not suck since you can do 4 type damage" I chose Caldari as my playing character. Am I going to have problems, Are people just speaking about personal preference or is there some truth and reasoning to Caldari not being a good choice and I think it's, Minmatar? being a more preferred, race to choose?

I think I've learned that the missions are the way to make Isk when you're first learning. Is that the only "best" way to go about playing Eve right now to make isk and upgrade/train skills?

What kind of ships would you normally see a "noob" flying, I know it's something like..."Don't fly what you can't afford to lose"? But I suppose you don't want to er..."Pimp" out your Ibis, right?

Sometimes I find myself just riding aimlessly through space, running "shopping errands" to get items to fit my ship and it feel like I need to go to every Station on my overview within a 5 jump radius. Any suggestions?

I'm really bad at fitting ships. I've successfuly fitted a Kestrel. I get the fustrating "you can't use that because you need this skill" window popping up, I still don't know pricing and what's expensive. Some players will brag about how they made a billion isk and losing that much isn't a huge deal. To me; it seems like thats a whole lot of isk. (Not quite a question but something that confuses me.)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2011-10-18 20:31:38 UTC
Vyvica wrote:
I've scanned the chat room and heard people talk and I think that auto pilot thing brings up another question. I have been told over and over "Do Not Auto-Pilot!" It's so hard not to though when you're new and still catching on and figuring out the best way to manuever your mouse, multi task the Eve windows and continue on to your destination. a bad habit I started. ;)

I'm assuming there is a way to point out certain people who are on auto-pilot, maybe it the speed of the ship around the star gate?

yep, they drop out of warp 15 KM away from the gate and slow-boat it into jump range. Most people Warp to Zero (WTZ) when travelling. All you need to do is find the yellow icon for the next stargate in your route in your overview, right click it, and choose "Warp to Zero" (or use the WTZ button in the detailed view -- where the "orbit" and "Keep at Range" buttons are")

Vyvica wrote:
I'm hearing input by different players and it's ranging from, "Caldari sucks", "Caldari only sucks for (pew-pew) only" (I think I know that term now but I'm not positive ;) ), "Caldari does not suck since you can do 4 type damage" I chose Caldari as my playing character. Am I going to have problems, Are people just speaking about personal preference or is there some truth and reasoning to Caldari not being a good choice and I think it's, Minmatar? being a more preferred, race to choose?

mostly it's about the fact that their ships are "meh" for PVP Combat (also, hybrid weapons currently suck... so yeah). However, having chosen a Caldari toon does not mean you cannot choose to train Minmatar or Amarr or Gallente ships by picking up the relevant skillbooks.

Vyvica wrote:
I think I've learned that the missions are the way to make Isk when you're first learning. Is that the only "best" way to go about playing Eve right now to make isk and upgrade/train skills?

What kind of ships would you normally see a "noob" flying, I know it's something like..."Don't fly what you can't afford to lose"? But I suppose you don't want to er..."Pimp" out your Ibis, right?

Missions are OK.
There is also mining (low income, "low risk" in general), exploration sites, ninja salvaging (note - this generally pisses missioners off, but salvage is free for all), can-flipping, ninja looting

NOTE --> SALVAGING is the act of targeting a wreck, and activating a Salvaging module. It is NOT the same as flying to a wreck and taking the contents ("looting")

Ibis is (IIRC) the Starter Caldari ship (i.e. the noobship). You should probably be flying around in a Kestrel for missions (note, I don't fly Caldari ships ... I just hear thats a decent Caldari frigate)

Vyvica wrote:
Sometimes I find myself just riding aimlessly through space, running "shopping errands" to get items to fit my ship and it feel like I need to go to every Station on my overview within a 5 jump radius. Any suggestions?

pay attention to where the items you're buying are located. Personally I sort by Jumps, then Price, then Quantity... what this does is let me quickly see that an item is 3 jumps away, for the price of 20k ISK (closest item). If 20k seems "high" for what it is, I sort by price (forgetting about how far it is) ... and may find that the item should really be 17,5K ISK, and I can get as many as I need 4 jumps away.

Vyvica wrote:
I'm really bad at fitting ships. I've successfuly fitted a Kestrel. I get the fustrating "you can't use that because you need this skill" window popping up, I still don't know pricing and what's expensive. Some players will brag about how they made a billion isk and losing that much isn't a huge deal. To me; it seems like thats a whole lot of isk. (Not quite a question but something that confuses me.)


ISK is "easy" to come by as you get older. Once you get to say L4 missions, you can make something like 40-50 Million ISK per hour ... 20-25 hours later, you have a billion ISK... and 20 hours isn't exactly a "long" time to play (10 days if you're missioning 2.5 hours/day). Or you could get into trading or something where you can make a killing buying items for say 500 ISK/unit in one station, and selling them for 1K at another (note, this doesn't necessarily happen often).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Toshiro GreyHawk
#14 - 2011-10-18 21:29:47 UTC


1) Auto piloting causes you to come out of warp 15km from the gate - so that you have to travel that last distance at normal power - which gives any gankers plenty of time to blow you up. It isn't that they can tell through some visual means that you are on Auto Pilot - they just assume that if you are approaching the gate from 15km's out - it is because you were auto piloting. If you manually warp to a gate - the default is to Warp To Zero - which puts you within the 2500 meters of the gate you need to be within in order to immediately jump. Thus, manually traveling from gate to gate - is both faster and safer. Now - if you're in a shuttle with an empty cargo hold traveling from place to place ... you are probably fine auto piloting as the ganker who blows you up - will lose his ship to Concord for doing so - thus, unless they're really bored (which does happen) they won't gank someone they can't make any money off of. Thus - the rule of thumb is - "Am I carrying something valuable enough that a ganker would be willing to lose his insured ship to blow me up - the ship in question being one powerful enough to destroy me with one broadside (Alpha)?"

2) Any race can do anything. In PVP, guns and armor tanking are more popular (guns hit instantly - missiles have to travel) but the Caldari have some very good ships - which anyone can fly who trains them. Caldari mostly shield tank - which is more popular for mission running - but you can run missions in anything. You'll see a lot of people who think they've figured out THE BEST way to do something and rag on anyone not doing things their way - but mostly they're jack asses.

3) Running missions is the most popular form of play in EVE. It pays poorly to start with but Level IV missions pay very well - so - the creed of the Mission Runners is - Get To Level IV As Fast As You Can. Going to fast can put you in hollow ships though - which you are the one who will have to pay for if you lose them. A hollow ship is one where you don't have the skills to properly fit or fly it.

4) You want to get out of that Rookie ship as fast as you can. Get your Factional Frigate Skills ( Caldari Frigate) up to III and you can fly a good combat ship - like the Kestrel or the Merlin. But - if you get into a Cormorrant, fit it with 5 150mm guns, kite the rats (get their agro and then turn away so that you kill them as they come ) using a good after burner - then all your level I missions will be cake. You don't need a Cruiser until you get to Level II's. The Caracal is an excellent ship for these missions. Make two fits - one with AML launchers to kill frigates and the other with heavy missiles if you have to fight a bunch of cruisers. The fitting tool will let you change fittings and save them by name so that, if all you stuff is in your Items Hangar, you can simply load that saved fitting rather than drag everything over there.

5) There is a Player Guide listed to the left part of the screen when you first come to this web site - go there and do searches on things you are interested in.

6) If the items in the market are scattered about ... you'll need to travel about to get them if you want to get them at low prices - UNLESS - you go to a trade hub. The Trade Hub for EVE is in Caldari Space at Jita. The Amarr Trade Hub is - the Amarr System, the Minmatar is Rens or Hek and the Gallente is Dodixie or Oursaleart (sp?).

7) There is a ships and modules forum as well as some fits in the User Guide plus a lot of other sources for fits.

8) You'll just have to get the skills you need to use things. There are certificates you can look at which serve to guide you as to what skills you might want trained but a lot of people, myself included don't use them.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2011-10-18 21:39:07 UTC
This is an old thread that I usually like to link for newbies.

Newbie Advice
Easy Target
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-18 22:08:57 UTC
For fits for your ship(s) have a look at Battleclinic

Or as a random "pick the top one" Kestrel

Also download and set up EFT
It allows you to put in your API so it ports your skills over to it. You can then fit ships using it and it will show you various useful stats as well as what is possible with all level 5 skills.
Handy if you are 0.5 power short, stick it on all level 5 skills, if it is still 0.5 power short short, you need a power module, or a different fit

There is also EveMon which is a skill planner, So you can get your fit in EFT, then port it over to EveMon and it will tell you what you need to fly it, how long it will take and how much it will cost you in skill books


For a one stop shop, then Jita is the one. Station 4 - 4 has everything you will need
There is also the Amarr system, plus a few other trade hubs that I forget the names of, sure someone will jump in soon enough with them

You may pay a bit more in a trade hub, but you will be able to buy most stuff in the one station.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#17 - 2011-10-18 22:20:02 UTC
No offense intended, but if people call you a troll, it's probably because they can't believe you're still flying ibises and kestrels, struggling with lvl 1 missions after a month.

It's been a couple of years since I've last trained up a character from scratch, but even when learning skills still existed and agent access was way more restricted, I was easily flying a battlecruiser and doing lvl3 missions after a month.

Take your time and ask questions, but don't ask every question without doing any research on your own. There's tons of info available on the web on any topic you could ask about.

Lastly, get EFT, get Evemon, look up well rated fittings if you have trouble or don't enjoy coming up with something on your own and make a plan.

Probably, the most important bit In a sandbox like eve is to always have clearly defined goals.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Vyvica
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-19 00:14:33 UTC
No offense Taken, I think you are right. But what are some reasons I am having such a hard time with this mission? I'm sure it's something I've done wrong. I'm starting to wonder if I should even continue playing if I keep having trouble.

I think in this game peoples ideas and different knowledge adds to the benefits of asking almost all my questions. If you read the responses they are multiple but some of the questions have a different answer with each response and they are all right. Plus, I started out getting information on a website. Only to find out they were mocking Eve situations and making fun of noobs. I came back from that web site confused and confident with false information. BUT that's the internet. ;p


Goals? Good idea, I have to admit I have not made any.
Marwood Ford
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-10-19 00:36:28 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
It's been a couple of years since I've last trained up a character from scratch, but even when learning skills still existed and agent access was way more restricted, I was easily flying a battlecruiser and doing lvl3 missions after a month.


Maybe so, but there's a massive difference between training a character from scratch and starting EVE for the first time.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-19 02:13:58 UTC
A few tips on understanding the players in this game:

1) They tend to express themselves in extremes.

Every ship either is "awesome" or "sucks". Every weapon is the same way.

Note the above line - "every" - extreme expression. Not some, not many, not most - EVERY.

2) "That depends"

Actually a fact in this game. Most things in this game are good, bad, mediocre, decent... All based upon who is using it (SP), how it is being used, WHERE it is being used and against or towards whatever is being aimed at.

3) Common knowledge expressed as fact, is... common.

Note that "knowing" something is a tad different than actually ever having been involved in using, researching or testing of it.

Example: "Amarr drones SUCK!" - common knowledge. The number of players that will tell you about this is staggering. The number who have actually used them and measured them against how other drones perform in a variety of situations? A very small fraction of the former.

This game is exceedingly complex. A great deal of it won't ever be used/experienced by most players. As such, a great deal of "knowledge" in it is passed down as word-of-mouth and many younger chars really do want to fit in by expressing "commonly agreed upon" opinions. This tends to allow them to participate in conversations that they would often not be able to participate in. These younger players eventually end up as veterans but still hold to this same theme of "common knowledge".

As such "I've been playing 6 years and it's been the same... "so you use it?" "of course not!" - then 6 years of not using something doesn't mean it hasn't changed nor that what you "know" wasn't bunk back then, when you avoided using it because it was junk.



So don't be overly surprised at how folks express things and take advice and information in but don't assume it's 100% factual. Try and base any decisions upon your experience in the game - not just "recommendations" but what you have done.
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