Out of Pod Experience

Actually I am all for treating captured terrorists the same as POWs as far as the time they are being held as a prisoner. However in dealing with them in the long term one must understand that in the case of terrorists their war will never be over so they can be released to go home and live out a peaceful life. A terrorist POW unlike a soldier POW if released will simply return tomorrow with another bomb or plot. This I find unacceptable. Since we can't safely release a terrorist we are left with limited options which are suprisingly the same as dealing with war criminals (not the same as a simple soldier POW by a long shot).

The reason they don't want a public apology is because Japan totally whitewashes its own role in WWII. It's very bizzarre, but it was probably intentional and beneficial to both sides after the war to do so. The US wanted Japan to be rebuilt into an ally and forget its imperialistc past, and Japan didn't want to be associated with the N azis. Bringing up this apology **** just means people get reminded again, which no one over there wants. They only want to be known for five things: robots, anime, tentacles, trainrape, and lolicon.

Also, asians (of the slanty eyed variety) don't play the victim card unless it's toward other asians who they don't like (usually all other asians) -- then they go into super mega drama mode. I get the impression from my mother that she holds asians to higher standards because the perception is they should know better. She can't be offended by round eye because round eyes are just attractive herp derps for asian women to marry.

Yes whilst the Japs were creating there Co-Prosperity Sphere held together with War **** and War Crimes the Americans decided not to use there economy to help fuel the fascist kill machine. They obviously started it.

I remember in grade when this guy tried to trade an apple for my pudding and I tried to lite him on fire. The Teacher blamed me even though he started it with his poor trading.

It's like people never need to post their own proof in their body of works? Imagine in the days of yor such as newspaper if reporters told people to "Go find it yourself! "

Yeah I suppose I could have gone out and hunted the interwebs had I cared enough...but as a reader I feel that's not really my job when people make claims.
Kinda like an academic paper you need to cite your sources...Not really the job of the teacher (Reader) to investigate everything.

Also skimming over that link with the cables I didnt see any apology. Rather security policies dealing with NK, various nuclear proliferation stuff, and US service personnel incident policy stuff.

The politics is strong in this thread.

Rather than a full blown rant that, once I am done, it will be two hours later, and the forum will find a way to not-post it and lose it anyway - I will now go do something productive.


Just remember: most wars are started by people who finance both sides, needing a way to get us "useless eaters" to kill each other off while getting rich selling the ammo to everybody. There are always morons who want to kill and invade, but it never happens until someone "higher up" figures out a way to get rich off it.

Anything else for and against these reasons is just arguing against a tree stump for lack of shade.

It's 2011. WW2 ended over half a century ago.

NONE OF IT MATTERS ANYMORE. THE WORLD IS A DIFFERENT PLACE NOW. YOU'RE WRONG IF YOU THINK ANY OF IT HAS ANY BEARING ON MODERN-DAY POLITICS ASIDE FROM OUTDATED TREATIES AND AGREEMENTS THAT SHOULD BE REVISITED AND REVISED ANYWAY.

Did everyone get that? I'll explain it.

To the UK: it doesn't matter anymore that you get your panties in a wad every time you hear an American say they saved your asses in WW2. They know you were there for 6 years before, which is precisely why they say "we saved your asses"...because THEY DID. Not due to any fault of your own; they kinda swooped in like in the movies, just as things were starting to go badly after you had just about exhausted your entire warfighting capability. However, Americans never look at it that way because it just gets glossed over, which just makes them look ignorant. However, it makes you people look like toddlers throwing a hissy fit when you get all up in arms over it. Both of you should just get over yourselves.

To the US: It doesn't matter anymore that you may think you saved everyone's asses in WW2. You didn't do anything single-handedly and timing played a huge factor in it. No one cares. Grow up. See the last sentence in previous paragraph.

To Germany: No one cares about n@zis anymore, or the party, or the Fuhrer except completely wacko people whose opinion doesn't count anyway. Stop acting like you have to constantly apologize for something that happened so long ago that there's almost no one left alive to tell the story, and to everyone else stop acting like they should. If your great-grandfather got gassed, I'm sure they're very sorry and it won't happen again. Move on.

To France: Whatever. Not much has changed for you anyway.

To Italy: You can stop kissing America's ass now. They don't care about you anyway. Also, tell more tourists to GTFO when they complain about your English and your way of life. (I live in Italy as an Amurricun, btw)

To Russia: Be careful what you wish for and try to keep that nationalism under control. Smile every once in a while; you're beautiful people and it's sad to see you always frown.

To Japan: It's good to be honorable, but it's time to kick the Marines off the island.

I think that covers at least the hot spots. No one cares anymore. We should all just get over ourselves and ask each other, "what have we done for us lately?" instead of spouting historical timelines that no one gives a flying f*ck about anymore besides armchair historians with no life. It's time to stop living in the past and start living in the present.

LOL!

I find it laughable that the people that screamed the loudest the whole time Julian was news worthy months ago now use Wikileaks as their primary source.

Pure classic!


Slade

Oh, the past is quite relevant, going back to WWII.

For instance, why do you think the US is the only country that supports Israel, even if would be much easier (and cheaper) to abandon them to the wild animals in the Middle East? Jewish control of banking institutions? Political donations? Nope. Wrong.

In the 1940's an entire generation of young Americans went on 'foreign exchange' to Europe. Not to attend school, party and get drunk, or bang some Italian chyk with a mustache. But to liberate the continent. They witnessed, firsthand, what European citizens allowed to happen to the Jews in the camps of Germany. It was visceral - and it has shaped American official policy ever since.

What is more disturbing - I've noticed that antisemitism is becoming quite fashionable in Europe today....

Either way, most of these countries have more recent reasons to be thankful for US support. And not just the US Military personnel. A big wet SMOOCH is also owed the US military-industrial complex.

Raytheon. General Dynamics. McDonnell Douglas. Bechtel. Designing, building, and maintaining the advanced weapons that kept Western Europe safe from the Soviet menace was a monumental achievement. You say such nice things about those 'frowning' Russians - but only American steel and warheads kept them out of Paris, Brussels, Vienna and Milan.

To this day, Japan welcomes our unqualified support in dealing with future threats from China and North Korea. 'Kicking out the Marines' as you put it would be a very stupid thing to do when China is pouring huge resources into upgrading its military, and backing the unstable, nuclear-armed North Korean regime.

You say you are an American expat. Don't be so ashamed. Slap that American flag on your backpack and wear that trucker hat with pride.

What happened nearly 70 years ago happened nearly 70 years ago. We're a couple generations ahead and the people making the decisions have changed, aswell as the people that used to care.

Holding on to past decisions is usually a bad thing - They've been made by a completely different generation, culture, even nation. The US of 70 years ago is not the US of today, that goes for every other country aswell. Decisions have to be made for the people of today and tomorrow, not the people of yesterday, ultimately they're the ones who have to live in the world of today.

+1 to that one.