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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-10-13 10:29:00 UTC
Feel free to create your own forum using your own address.

Just don't come here, mumbling nonsense about how CCP needs to create an actual "ISD-Free" forum channels on EVE Online.
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-10-13 10:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
RAGE QU1T wrote:
...in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire...



*SNIP*

People getting banned under false pretense, threads getting locked for nothing... Is it just a decline in volunteer moderator quality or an officially ordered pogrom?


EDIT: Comparing CCP and the ISD to the Holocaust is most definitely against the EULA and Forum Rules - ISD Type40.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-10-13 10:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Name Family Name wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:
...in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire...



*SNIP*

People getting banned under false pretense, threads getting locked for nothing... Is it just a decline in volunteer moderator quality or an officially ordered pogrom?


And where is the so called proof of "people getting banned under false pretense, threads getting locked for nothing... ?"

I've seen many posts that were locked and I still haven't seen a thread that has been done so out of ISD's boredom.

They all deserved to be locked.

EDIT: Pardon the intrusion, just quote editing - ISD Type40.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2012-10-13 10:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Name Family Name wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:
...in light of today's activites by are fav ISD's with reigning brimstone and fire...



*SNIP*

People getting banned under false pretense, threads getting locked for nothing... Is it just a decline in volunteer moderator quality or an officially ordered pogrom?


More along the lines of people saying/doing bad things then being all outraged when they get baned/topics locked.


EDIT: These pesky quotes and their need for editing, pardon the intrusion - ISD Type40.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#25 - 2012-10-13 10:40:29 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Feel free to create your own forum using your own address.

Just don't come here, mumbling nonsense about how CCP needs to create an actual "ISD-Free" forum channels on EVE Online.

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features. I can get behind rules such as not allowing racism, for example, but your command to take our EVE discussions outside the EVE forums just because you see no need for them personally is laughable.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-10-13 10:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Feel free to create your own forum using your own address.

Just don't come here, mumbling nonsense about how CCP needs to create an actual "ISD-Free" forum channels on EVE Online.

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features. I can get behind rules such as not allowing racism, for example, but your command to take our EVE discussions outside the EVE forums just because you see no need for them personally is laughable.


Just because we are paying customers doesn't equate us being shareholders of the Company. We can provide good inputs as stakeholders, but it is not up to us to dictate what CCP should do.

Why do I want CCP to needlessly allocate countless men-hours to satisfy trigger-happy players who just don't know when to shut up? We are under the CCP roof. For liability and PR reason, CCP should not heed to this kind of nonsensical suggestion. I do not want any racists, child molesters, and just dumb people mumbling in any parts of this great game.

In fact, ISD should move this post to "Suggestion Channel."
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-10-13 11:05:24 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Why? As paying customers, we're entitled...



Ooooh... "entitled" is it now?

Speaking of laughable. Shocked
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#28 - 2012-10-13 11:21:21 UTC
Being entitled to provide feedback and make requests is different from being entitled to dictate policy.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-10-13 11:23:38 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Feel free to create your own forum using your own address.

Just don't come here, mumbling nonsense about how CCP needs to create an actual "ISD-Free" forum channels on EVE Online.

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features. I can get behind rules such as not allowing racism, for example, but your command to take our EVE discussions outside the EVE forums just because you see no need for them personally is laughable.

So, you really can't see the potential community and PR issues that will come from a public unmoderated forums hosted within the official CCP domain? even with the amount of spergs, troll, personal attacks in an ISD moderated General Discussion as it is now?

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#30 - 2012-10-13 11:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Feel free to create your own forum using your own address.

Just don't come here, mumbling nonsense about how CCP needs to create an actual "ISD-Free" forum channels on EVE Online.

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features. I can get behind rules such as not allowing racism, for example, but your command to take our EVE discussions outside the EVE forums just because you see no need for them personally is laughable.

So, you really can't see the potential community and PR issues that will come from a public unmoderated forums hosted within the official CCP domain? even with the amount of spergs, troll, personal attacks in an ISD moderated General Discussion as it is now?

It doesn't have to be public.

Also, it can have limited moderation to keep the racism and baby-**** out, but otherwise allow for everything else, including attacks on other players and rumor-mongering.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#31 - 2012-10-13 11:30:52 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features.

But you really didn't present a "concern". And the OP was vague, only really stressed "dissatisfaction". What's the concern? It's not hard to tell what thread is headed to a lock here, I called at least 1 ibtl (+1 to my score hehe) today, got in while it was still open.

I have more concern for lack of moderation, as it can become very uncomfortable for most forum visitors; for civility sake. Also there are legal issues to be concerned with regarding forum administration. I like to trolololol around a bit, in GD at least, but there are limits to that, to stay in fun. But not everyone tends to hold some acceptable standard when let loose.

imo, the forums are more hospitable now compared to five years ago, but perfection is illusive, and going full tilt in the opposite direction will only cause grief.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Alara IonStorm
#32 - 2012-10-13 11:32:10 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Being entitled to provide feedback and make requests is different from being entitled to dictate policy.

I can provide all the feedback I want about the game. I've never had trouble with ISD removing or locking my posts which tend not to be rage filled, vulgar or in an incorrect forum section. I am not exactly feeling the hand of big brother here.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-10-13 11:32:25 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Also, it can have limited moderation to keep the racism and baby-**** out, but otherwise allow for everything else, including attacks on other players and rumor-mongering.


So you are basically saying that this awesome new forum will be....."regulated?"

We do not need new channel. Why don't you guys just create a new forum and manage all the rules? Why do you want CCP to spend countless man-hours to satisfy a dozen folks who don't know when to shut up?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#34 - 2012-10-13 11:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Please quote me some "legal issues to be concerned with regarding forum administration" that actually stick.

The Antiquarian wrote:
So you are basically saying that this awesome new forum will be....."regulated?"

We do not need new channel. Why don't you guys just create a new forum and manage all the rules? Why do you want CCP to spend countless man-hours to satisfy a dozen folks who don't know when to shut up?

I'm not enough of a baddie to advocate not watching out for stuff like child porn. So yeah, some rules are fine, but really, they're rules more in accordance with interpol than with netiquette.

Why have that forum section here? Because people post with their actual in-game characters. It would be impossible to incorporate that feature into an outside forum in a reliable manner.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-10-13 11:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Webvan wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Why? As paying customers, we're entitled to voice our concerns and ask for new features.

But you really didn't present a "concern". And the OP was vague, only really stressed "dissatisfaction". What's the concern? It's not hard to tell what thread is headed to a lock here, I called at least 1 ibtl (+1 to my score hehe) today, got in while it was still open.

I have more concern for lack of moderation, as it can become very uncomfortable for most forum visitors; for civility sake. Also there are legal issues to be concerned with regarding forum administration. I like to trolololol around a bit, in GD at least, but there are limits to that, to stay in fun. But not everyone tends to hold some acceptable standard when let loose.

imo, the forums are more hospitable now compared to five years ago, but perfection is illusive, and going full tilt in the opposite direction will only cause grief.


This is absolutely true. Have you (Destiny Corrupted and OP) visited any other forums in other games? ISDs have already shown extreme tolerance when it comes to us expressing our thoughts relative to many other MMOs. You need to learn to appreciate what we have here before you start mumbling about unsubstantiated ISDs' great injustice.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#36 - 2012-10-13 11:47:28 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Have you (Destiny Corrupted and OP) visited any other forums in other games? ISDs have already shown extreme tolerance when it comes to us expressing our thoughts relative to many other MMOs. You need to learn to appreciate what we have here before you start mumbling about unsubstantiated ISDs' great injustice.

Yeah, the company that took half a decade just to allow posters to mention WoW by name is a shining beacon of tolerance.

Being of the opinion that people should not be able to express their opinions just makes you a hypocrite. But hey, you're entitled to it.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#37 - 2012-10-13 12:00:53 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Have you (Destiny Corrupted and OP) visited any other forums in other games? ISDs have already shown extreme tolerance when it comes to us expressing our thoughts relative to many other MMOs. You need to learn to appreciate what we have here before you start mumbling about unsubstantiated ISDs' great injustice.

Yeah, the company that took half a decade just to allow posters to mention WoW by name is a shining beacon of tolerance.

Being of the opinion that people should not be able to express their opinions just makes you a hypocrite. But hey, you're entitled to it.

Well everyone has opinions. I was just wondering what the "concerns" were since none were really mentioned. I know what it's like to be in other game forums, like the UO forums that simply closed rather than moderate the burning bags left on the doorstep. EMU forums of dead games are the worst imo, like forum pvp hunting parties gone blitzkrieg. I did moderation work for an indie game engine support forum for a few years, thousands of paying customers, even those places can easily go hostile if left to fester. It's different with most regular social communities, us gamers bring a competitiveness to the forums, and things just tend to escalate very quickly.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-10-13 12:01:38 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I'd actually like to see a "dark alley" forum section that has no moderation, but also limits posting to non-NPC-corp characters that have existed for at least a year.


Such a forum section would just end up as a dumping ground for terrible GD threads.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-10-13 12:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Have you (Destiny Corrupted and OP) visited any other forums in other games? ISDs have already shown extreme tolerance when it comes to us expressing our thoughts relative to many other MMOs. You need to learn to appreciate what we have here before you start mumbling about unsubstantiated ISDs' great injustice.

Yeah, the company that took half a decade just to allow posters to mention WoW by name is a shining beacon of tolerance.

Being of the opinion that people should not be able to express their opinions just makes you a hypocrite. But hey, you're entitled to it.


A hypocrite? Do you not understand the meaning of the word hypocrite?

I suppose if your logic stands firm, you are basically saying that since you are a paying customer at Wal-Mart for buying an ounce of butter, you are "entitled" to mumble on the virtues of K-Mart and the supremacy of the great Aryan race?

For Christ's sake, you are wasting your time here, urging CCP to create an ISD-Free forum. Go create your own forum or something.

ISD should move this post to "Suggestion Channel," since OP is merely giving a suggestion of a new idea.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#40 - 2012-10-13 12:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Hear that guys? Destiny Corrupted is a champion of the neo-nazi cause.

"Berate" is probably not the right word for what you were trying to say.

Nice backseat-moderatin' skills by the way, bro.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted