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Covetor VS retriever. what am i missing?

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shadowhearth Eto
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#1 - 2012-10-13 09:48:34 UTC
hey gang, pure noob here, so please be patient. ( less then 30 days old account)

So i started off as miner and i really love it ( i am a weirdo, i know ). I am using retriever for my mining operation, which is a briliant ship, though i did got myself a covetor to see how better yeld is ( i was trying to force myself in to second account :D )

to my huge shock i was very dissapointed in covetor as a package. I can mine 2900 m3 per cycle in retriever and only 3100m3 in covetor. I was expecting a lot a lot more! the trade of of almost 20k m3 cargo hold, for 200m3 yeld looks like a very bad deal.


so as i am a really huge noob, do i actually miss something? i know i am using Strip miner I and mining upgrade II now, will covetor will get a lot better with better strip miners and better skills? Or will it be just a slightly less yeld scale to retriever anyway?

with 2 accounts covetor would make sense, but other then that it looks like small bit out of touch in balance wise?

dont understand me wrong, i am not moaning or ranting or asking for buffs. i am trying to understand the whole role of covetor as a mining barge.

thank you
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-10-13 10:03:19 UTC
You didn't read the ship's description, did you?

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shadowhearth Eto
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#3 - 2012-10-13 10:07:17 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
You didn't read the ship's description, did you?



The Covetor is a mining barge with superb mining yield.

Traits
Mining Barge skill bonus per level:
4% bonus to Strip Miner yield
3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration

Development
The mining barge was designed by ORE to facilitate advancing the mining profession to a new level. Each barge was created to excel at a specific function, the Covetor's being mining yield. This additional yield comes at a price, as the Covetor has weaker defenses and a smaller ore bay than the other mining barges.
Mining barges are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining and Ice Harvesting modules.


so yeah, it is ment to be a high yeld low cargo space ship, but 200m3 of extra yeld vs loss of almost 20k m3 of cargo space is hardly a MASSIVE yeld increase over retriever? Or 200m3 is actually a lot?
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-10-13 10:20:45 UTC
The covetor's yield, improves with mining barge skill level.
The retriever's yield doesn't.

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shadowhearth Eto
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#5 - 2012-10-13 10:31:11 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
The covetor's yield, improves with mining barge skill level.
The retriever's yield doesn't.


okay, thank you. i am training for mining barge now and i will check on it in few days. around 8% increase wont be that much significant though?
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-10-13 10:35:32 UTC
As you already mentioned, the covetor is meant to be used in fleet, with orca boost, just like the hulk.
Alone, it will still have a better yield than the retriever, but the retriever is way more convenient for solo/AFK-mining and there the difference with a covetor (solo non-boosted), doesn't really appeal.

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Braxus Deninard
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#7 - 2012-10-13 10:59:46 UTC
shadowhearth Eto wrote:
Sin Pew wrote:
The covetor's yield, improves with mining barge skill level.
The retriever's yield doesn't.


okay, thank you. i am training for mining barge now and i will check on it in few days. around 8% increase wont be that much significant though?


8% increase is actually quite significant in EvE.
Xorxos Ur
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-13 11:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Xorxos Ur
So as a solo miner, I better go for a retriever over a covetor ?

Also I read covetor is 4000m3 cargo hold, against 2000m3 retriever... that doesn't coincide with what poster above is saying ?! Why is he mentionning 20k ?

EDIT: Ok I learnt that it's about specific ORE holding capacity
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-13 11:33:18 UTC
each mining barge and it's T2 exhumer form has a purpose

Procurer -> Tank (for mining in dangerous places)
Retriever -> Ore Hold (for mining alone)
Covetor -> Yield (for mining with friends)
Xorxos Ur
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-13 12:15:13 UTC
I'm glad I read this thread. I will plan to buy a retriever, but they seem more expensive :(

Also what best lasers should I put on Retriever to mine ore ?
shadowhearth Eto
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#11 - 2012-10-13 12:44:14 UTC
Xorxos Ur wrote:
I'm glad I read this thread. I will plan to buy a retriever, but they seem more expensive :(

Also what best lasers should I put on Retriever to mine ore ?


as a noob to noob ;)

retrievers are half the price of covetors. you should be able to find retrievers for around 15-20mil.

these things dont use mining lasers, they use strip miners m8. all you will be able to use is strip miner I when you train for retriever. though strip miner I are very good, the Strip miner II excel only when you get mining crystals which are used as ammunition. So i would just stick with mk I for now.

ty for more info on the issue lads.
Oraac Ensor
#12 - 2012-10-13 13:19:47 UTC
Xorxos Ur wrote:
So as a solo miner, I better go for a retriever over a covetor ?

Also I read covetor is 4000m3 cargo hold, against 2000m3 retriever... that doesn't coincide with what poster above is saying ?!

That info is out of date.

Here is the comparison info you need: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Mining_Barges:Mining_Barges:ORE
Fadeoc Khaos
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#13 - 2012-11-28 04:43:47 UTC
Xorxos Ur wrote:
I'm glad I read this thread. I will plan to buy a retriever, but they seem more expensive :(

Also what best lasers should I put on Retriever to mine ore ?



Modulated Strip Miner II
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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-11-28 05:32:31 UTC
That mining is like pulling teeth?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-11-28 09:19:24 UTC
Xorxos Ur wrote:
So as a solo miner, I better go for a retriever over a covetor ?

Also I read covetor is 4000m3 cargo hold, against 2000m3 retriever... that doesn't coincide with what poster above is saying ?! Why is he mentionning 20k ?

EDIT: Ok I learnt that it's about specific ORE holding capacity


That's old info.

They changed the mining barges this year.

Like anything in EVE, verify your information cause CCP does a lot of changing to things which can make sources out of date.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-11-28 09:26:09 UTC
shadowhearth Eto wrote:
hey gang, pure noob here, so please be patient. ( less then 30 days old account)

So i started off as miner and i really love it ( i am a weirdo, i know ). I am using retriever for my mining operation, which is a briliant ship, though i did got myself a covetor to see how better yeld is ( i was trying to force myself in to second account :D )

to my huge shock i was very dissapointed in covetor as a package. I can mine 2900 m3 per cycle in retriever and only 3100m3 in covetor. I was expecting a lot a lot more! the trade of of almost 20k m3 cargo hold, for 200m3 yeld looks like a very bad deal.


so as i am a really huge noob, do i actually miss something? i know i am using Strip miner I and mining upgrade II now, will covetor will get a lot better with better strip miners and better skills? Or will it be just a slightly less yeld scale to retriever anyway?

with 2 accounts covetor would make sense, but other then that it looks like small bit out of touch in balance wise?

dont understand me wrong, i am not moaning or ranting or asking for buffs. i am trying to understand the whole role of covetor as a mining barge.

thank you



Retriever is build for solo mining.

Covetor is build for fleet mining (with boosts and dedicated haulers).
8% increase is one of the biggest bonuses you will see in EVE, most bonuses in EVE tend to range from 2 to 5%.

And to give you an idea about the difference:


MAX skilled pilot used...


Retriever - 2 x T2 strips + T2 Veld crystal + 3 x T2 MLU = 3824 m3 / cycle
Covetor - 3 x T2 strips + T2 Veld crystal + 2 x T2 MLU = 4210 m3 / cycle

That is a difference of almost 400 m3 / cycle.
Given that Veldspar is 0.1 m3 / unit gives you 4000 Veldspar a cycle more with the covetor.
4000 Veldspar is 12 refining jobs (4000/333=12.12)
With perfect refining that is 12000 Tritanium.
Say Trit sells for 6 ISK/unit which will mean 72.000 ISK a cycle more.

Then when you go an apply other stuff it will add up even more.

* Orca Boosts
* Having a hauler (means you can keep mining instead of having to unload every once in a while).

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-11-29 14:32:18 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
shadowhearth Eto wrote:
hey gang, pure noob here, so please be patient. ( less then 30 days old account)

So i started off as miner and i really love it ( i am a weirdo, i know ). I am using retriever for my mining operation, which is a briliant ship, though i did got myself a covetor to see how better yeld is ( i was trying to force myself in to second account :D )

to my huge shock i was very dissapointed in covetor as a package. I can mine 2900 m3 per cycle in retriever and only 3100m3 in covetor. I was expecting a lot a lot more! the trade of of almost 20k m3 cargo hold, for 200m3 yeld looks like a very bad deal.


so as i am a really huge noob, do i actually miss something? i know i am using Strip miner I and mining upgrade II now, will covetor will get a lot better with better strip miners and better skills? Or will it be just a slightly less yeld scale to retriever anyway?

with 2 accounts covetor would make sense, but other then that it looks like small bit out of touch in balance wise?

dont understand me wrong, i am not moaning or ranting or asking for buffs. i am trying to understand the whole role of covetor as a mining barge.

thank you



Retriever is build for solo mining.

Covetor is build for fleet mining (with boosts and dedicated haulers).
8% increase is one of the biggest bonuses you will see in EVE, most bonuses in EVE tend to range from 2 to 5%.

And to give you an idea about the difference:


MAX skilled pilot used...


Retriever - 2 x T2 strips + T2 Veld crystal + 3 x T2 MLU = 3824 m3 / cycle
Covetor - 3 x T2 strips + T2 Veld crystal + 2 x T2 MLU = 4210 m3 / cycle

That is a difference of almost 400 m3 / cycle.
Given that Veldspar is 0.1 m3 / unit gives you 4000 Veldspar a cycle more with the covetor.
4000 Veldspar is 12 refining jobs (4000/333=12.12)
With perfect refining that is 12000 Tritanium.
Say Trit sells for 6 ISK/unit which will mean 72.000 ISK a cycle more.

Then when you go an apply other stuff it will add up even more.

* Orca Boosts
* Having a hauler (means you can keep mining instead of having to unload every once in a while).
You're such a carebear P

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gfldex
#18 - 2012-11-29 15:08:55 UTC
With it's 3 mining lasers the Covetor will give you less wasted cycles when a roid pops. That can greatly increase your mining yield in fleets. Fancy math that calculates how much your maximum yield under perfect conditions _would_be_ is not overly helpful.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-29 21:09:36 UTC
gfldex wrote:
With it's 3 mining lasers the Covetor will give you less wasted cycles when a roid pops. That can greatly increase your mining yield in fleets. Fancy math that calculates how much your maximum yield under perfect conditions _would_be_ is not overly helpful.


I used perfect conditions cause that's the only way to really compare stuff. Using avg. skills will mean that you can benefit one ship over another without knowing it.

And a proper miner will never put 3 lasers on 1 single asteroid, cause there is a chance you will mine with 1 and the 2 others are wasted cycles. You can spread your lasers over 3 roids, makes the chance of wasted cycles even lower

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Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-11-29 22:16:47 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
carebear talk
You're such a carebear P


Its ok he gets his aggression out on the forums Smile
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