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The foreseeable future of Eve
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#61 - 2012-10-12 20:56:21 UTC
LT Alter wrote:

As to why anyone should be worried about the future of Eve, the game will be in trouble after HIgh sec is carebears only and nullsec is Goons only. That system won't work.

fixed it for ya.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-10-12 22:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Upfront I'm a carebear, pve happy casual for the most part. The only thing I an really say for sure is that eventually, SOMEONE is going to come out with a successful casual friendly Space based MMO because it was designed that way from the start. Regardless of exactly what genre it falls under, the casual pve friendly people like me are going to try it out and most likely stay. I don't think EvE will compete well if it tries to step out of the niche its made for itself and compete for players like myself.

Just my opinion.

Also I just came back and have no idea what you all are on about.

They have one. It's called STO. Have you tried it? It's doing really well right now.


I thought BSGO was going to be that kind of game for a while----but sadly it was a F2P game, so yeah.....Sad Did have a lot of fun in the first few months though.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#63 - 2012-10-12 22:11:58 UTC
Roime wrote:
CONCORD will then look away when the mob spanks a criminal. Currently you are used to being protected by CONCORD.

Hisec is and has always been carebears only, PVP happens in low, null and wormholes. Get over it and come play with us, you will like it.

What? You on drugs, bro?

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Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-10-12 22:40:44 UTC
LT Alter wrote:
The game is not dieing because it conflicts with my interests it is dieing from the fact that the game will fail as the game becomes more structured and people will get bored with it and quit including you.


There you go again with this dieing garbage, you really need to use your other words.

Th structure you are complaining about has also brought people to the game so I have a hard time understand the crying wolf deal you have going on here, but I'll leave you too it.
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-10-12 23:08:32 UTC
Seems to me that

A) a flexible bounty system may serve to link the well funded 'care-bear' indus with a large anonymous group of PvPers to fight their (bounty hunter as a trade? yes please) battles by proxie. (more PvP for PvPers, something to spend money on IOT accomplish goals for rich Indus) = good

B) Killrights in Hisec being traded on the market (sorta, I realize you can rent them in realtime) means ganker/greifer tears (yes) and again, More PvP. Unless the endless bragging and general carrying-on of the 'PvP elite' of this game is in fact baseless, and only meaningful in the context of (mostly defenceless) Miners and haulers being gang raped by gate camps. I do believe we'll see who the real pirates are very soon, and to them : Respect.

I do understand that watching something you enjoy change can be unpleasant, however have some bloody faith. Look at what CCP has done in the last 9 years! Sure it has its flaws but at its heart its a brilliant game, and just maybe they have a long term strategic goal which will make it even better.
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#66 - 2012-10-12 23:15:47 UTC
As an industrialist that was ganked and was the object of threats from a corp killer my first week in the game, I had to find a way to defend myself.

Shortly after mentioning my plight on a voice channel I received several offers from PvP'ers to do some "slack work" for me. I have been paying them to kill people on demand since.

I think people need to give the new system a chance. It might actually be good for the game and lead to more interesting interactions.
Spurty
#67 - 2012-10-12 23:36:19 UTC
CCP pushing wardecs and bounty hunting forwards as the best high sec pvp mechanics, is really going to be terrible.

However will those 10s of posters upset by this ever be replaced in the sandbox?

Snore

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-10-13 00:20:14 UTC
Mmm i dont know if eve is dying perhaps its is or its not. i think i will not stop playing eve. Only when i end this game with all the objects i want to do with it. But if i see the login players well mmm the lose like 30k people in 5 months i think... I dont know what happend or iam playing every day at the wrong time..
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-10-13 00:22:48 UTC
Ive played in 06/07, and 09/10, and obviously 2012

Eve has changed massively over that time, in my view for the better.
There are more gameplay options now than there were in 2006 for a start.
40k+ players online is the highest i have ever seen in eve.

I'd like to think your wrong, and say that Eve is just changing again.
The changes announced aren't the only changes that are planned, they are the start of a series of changes
When CCP say "ok, were done with these changes, this is it." thats when we can judge those changes
thats when we can say "but ccp. these changes are crap, were leaving"
or not, depends what we see at the end of the cycle.
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#70 - 2012-10-13 02:58:44 UTC
Devon Krah'tor wrote:
Seems to me that

A) a flexible bounty system may serve to link the well funded 'care-bear' indus with a large anonymous group of PvPers to fight their (bounty hunter as a trade? yes please) battles by proxie. (more PvP for PvPers, something to spend money on IOT accomplish goals for rich Indus) = good

B) Killrights in Hisec being traded on the market (sorta, I realize you can rent them in realtime) means ganker/greifer tears (yes) and again, More PvP. Unless the endless bragging and general carrying-on of the 'PvP elite' of this game is in fact baseless, and only meaningful in the context of (mostly defenceless) Miners and haulers being gang raped by gate camps. I do believe we'll see who the real pirates are very soon, and to them : Respect.

I do understand that watching something you enjoy change can be unpleasant, however have some bloody faith. Look at what CCP has done in the last 9 years! Sure it has its flaws but at its heart its a brilliant game, and just maybe they have a long term strategic goal which will make it even better.


Focus on the "Look at what CCP has done in the last 9 years!". The old CCP was perfect, but sadly most of the founder base is gone or cannot save Eve and make it what it was. You are right, in saying that CCP has done great things, but this new CCP are mostly leaders of massive null alliances, RL money whores, or in game carebears. In other words, that is the player base that will get support, and nobody else. I saw a post of a CCP employee telling carebears to harden he **** up. That is the CCP that made the game, the new CCP is about making those who whine the loudest, who pay them the most money, and most of all are some of CCP itself now are getting told to soften up because we'll just make new rules so you can play the way you want to and they can't bother you no more. This is what will cause Eve to die in the end, an end that is coming way sooner than it should.
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#71 - 2012-10-13 03:04:39 UTC
Darth Nupis wrote:
LT Alter wrote:
The game is not dieing because it conflicts with my interests it is dieing from the fact that the game will fail as the game becomes more structured and people will get bored with it and quit including you.


There you go again with this dieing garbage, you really need to use your other words.

Th structure you are complaining about has also brought people to the game so I have a hard time understand the crying wolf deal you have going on here, but I'll leave you too it.


I'm saying dieing, yes it may be a bit dramatic at this point in time but what I am talking about is that Eve will be dieing, soon. The events that are happening will lead to that if they are allowed to happen.

The structure I am complaining about has brought people to the game, maybe yes maybe no, maybe that is just CCP mistaking general gain and the fact that Eve also has more advertisement during new expansion months. Take your pick, but in the end it is not the amount of players that will matter, it is he proportion of the group that falls down first, with Eve becoming two halves, low/null pvpers, highsec carebears one side gives in and eve economy crashes plex prices skyrocket the carebears drop alts and since the majority will be alts that's a ton of lost subs, then ship prices will increase and while big alliances continue as usual the smalls and the news can't do anything anymore so they quit, and while that happens less pvp begins happening for the large alliances and it's one massive cycle that has a good chance of ending eve if it comes to that. Are you beginning to see what I am talking about?
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#72 - 2012-10-13 03:06:29 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Ive played in 06/07, and 09/10, and obviously 2012

Eve has changed massively over that time, in my view for the better.
There are more gameplay options now than there were in 2006 for a start.
40k+ players online is the highest i have ever seen in eve.

I'd like to think your wrong, and say that Eve is just changing again.
The changes announced aren't the only changes that are planned, they are the start of a series of changes
When CCP say "ok, were done with these changes, this is it." thats when we can judge those changes
thats when we can say "but ccp. these changes are crap, were leaving"
or not, depends what we see at the end of the cycle.


I hope you are right, I really hope you are. I would rather be a heretic with an eve account than to be right about this and not have one.
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#73 - 2012-10-13 03:08:20 UTC
Darth Khasei wrote:
As an industrialist that was ganked and was the object of threats from a corp killer my first week in the game, I had to find a way to defend myself.

Shortly after mentioning my plight on a voice channel I received several offers from PvP'ers to do some "slack work" for me. I have been paying them to kill people on demand since.

I think people need to give the new system a chance. It might actually be good for the game and lead to more interesting interactions.


You aren't looking at the changes being made to lessen highsec pvp and push pvpers to low/null, also the changes made to protect those who want protection. CCP wants pvp in low/null and carebears in high, this will not work very long at all...
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
#74 - 2012-10-13 03:17:33 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Ive played in 06/07, and 09/10, and obviously 2012

Eve has changed massively over that time, in my view for the better.
There are more gameplay options now than there were in 2006 for a start.
40k+ players online is the highest i have ever seen in eve.

I'd like to think your wrong, and say that Eve is just changing again.
The changes announced aren't the only changes that are planned, they are the start of a series of changes
When CCP say "ok, were done with these changes, this is it." thats when we can judge those changes
thats when we can say "but ccp. these changes are crap, were leaving"
or not, depends what we see at the end of the cycle.


40K is 50% less than their peak. Admittedly the old 60k used to house a lot of bots which have been banned, not including them its still a huge drop.

I've just unsubbed 3 of my 4 accounts and it is happening not just through my corp, but with a lot of other corps as well that I keep in contact with.

I'll start playing again when 0.0 and lowsec gets fixed. If ccp remember to do it.

Capital Storm is recruiting Aussies for Lowsec pvp and money making. Join "Capital Storm Pub" channel ingame. www.capitalstorm.net
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#75 - 2012-10-13 03:42:44 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
LT Alter wrote:

As to why anyone should be worried about the future of Eve, the game will be in trouble after HIgh sec is carebears only and nullsec is Goons only. That system won't work.

fixed it for ya.


Thanks Big smile
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#76 - 2012-10-13 05:45:10 UTC
LT Alter wrote:


Criminal key word, yet they protect all of those who wish not to pvp.

Nope CONCORD protects those I wish to fight


Are you really that blind? CONCORD protects you from people you don't want to fight, that is the reason you are in hisec, with the other carebears.

And you don't wish to "fight" anybody, if you would, you would embrace this expansion as it makes white knighting possible, giving you more opponents. YOU were protected by CONCORD from these people who wanted to fight you, now they have a switch that causes CONCORD to look the other way for 15 minutes. Which means that Retribution is less safe to you, carebear.

Quote:
wrong again hi sec accounts for a lot of pvp and has massive effect on null, much more than you see
to realize.


RvB accounts for most of the PVP in hisec, rest is insignificant and whole EVE is laughing at you.

Quote:
No I will not I've lived in null and low and I hate it.

Your biased report on the way eve works is unimpressive and bores me.


You hate something, and suddenly my report is biased Lol

Are you Taranius de Consolville?

You still haven't presented a single proof to support your weak arguments, just chicken-little omgomgomgeveisdying whining.

Man up, bud.



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Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#77 - 2012-10-13 10:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Khasei
LT Alter wrote:
You aren't looking at the changes being made to lessen highsec pvp and push pvpers to low/null, also the changes made to protect those who want protection. CCP wants pvp in low/null and carebears in high, this will not work very long at all...


No they don't and you saying they do does not make it so man. Really mate just let the system have a chance, since you cannot possibly predict how "everyone else" is going to adjust to these changes.

People predict doom each and every issue, so you just need to get in line man.
Treo 'Ssard
Hangar 55
#78 - 2012-10-13 11:58:37 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
what if it was your play style that was on the line? What if the things you love about EVE were to suddenly be taken away from you?


I would adapt, or I would move on.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#79 - 2012-10-13 12:01:43 UTC
Is Eve dying?

Easy answer; No.

Subscriptions go up every year like clockwork.

Next thread.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#80 - 2012-10-13 15:54:20 UTC
Roime wrote:
LT Alter wrote:


Criminal key word, yet they protect all of those who wish not to pvp.

Nope CONCORD protects those I wish to fight


Are you really that blind? CONCORD protects you from people you don't want to fight, that is the reason you are in hisec, with the other carebears.

And you don't wish to "fight" anybody, if you would, you would embrace this expansion as it makes white knighting possible, giving you more opponents. YOU were protected by CONCORD from these people who wanted to fight you, now they have a switch that causes CONCORD to look the other way for 15 minutes. Which means that Retribution is less safe to you, carebear.

Quote:
wrong again hi sec accounts for a lot of pvp and has massive effect on null, much more than you see
to realize.


RvB accounts for most of the PVP in hisec, rest is insignificant and whole EVE is laughing at you.

Quote:
No I will not I've lived in null and low and I hate it.

Your biased report on the way eve works is unimpressive and bores me.


You hate something, and suddenly my report is biased Lol

Are you Taranius de Consolville?

You still haven't presented a single proof to support your weak arguments, just chicken-little omgomgomgeveisdying whining.

Man up, bud.





You are plain and simple the dumbest person to post on this thread.