Market Discussions

Bonds

For those that recall, I had a couple of bond proposals, on the old forums (http://eve-search.com/thread/1524146), prior to the whole Aurum/Nex/Vanity/Yellow Question events.

I am considering drawing this up and sending it over to the assembly hall. Prior to that, wondering if anyone had any other suggestions or ideas?

Thanks

Bonds are dead.

never happen

its true though, you know they're not gonna put some complex meta portion of game play and make it as an in game feature. the only thing thats even remotely close to that was scams, and that was people abusing human psychology as opposed to CCP making a feature explicitly for it.

your suggestions have way too many implication similar to the real world that can be abused by both loaner and the loan-e.

first off you can't create an ingame feature for credit that has no real consequences towards a player's account or actual person. they can easily buy a new character, or just transfer the isk and dump the character, most scamming characters are ALL station toons that'll never see the light of day so getting kill rights is utterly pointless, overall theres too many RL loopholes within this video game that makes the ingame feature utterly pointless for most people as the isk'll simply "vanish" in your system.

sure you can lease it to others but theres no real way someone's gonna collect and it'll simply be a phantom isk sink on the economy as a whole.

assuming that it DOES go well all along and the phantom isk sink due to people scamming the system disappears, theres still the issue of aggressive credit that might give an incompetent player an all too real version of our world's credit system. people play a video game to enjoy themselves, not so that they can simulate an actual business that might go bankrupt and force them to pay back TWICE the original principle. if theres no further repurcussion then the players'll take forever to pay off, if there ARE further repurcussions for paying off a late loan then the player might just abandon that character altogether and start a new one and repeat the cycle.

heck there definitely needs more rules and regulations to make it work, altogether its just not a worthwhile venture for CCP to dwell into, you might like the numbers game but its not within everyone's interest to create an ever growing vortex of isk sinks on individual players or create an infinite pool of money that scammers might not have to pay off.

If that's the case the ship poasters saying MD should have a loan/bond section got their wish, now let's look at the front page today... Looks like the sides of my toilet bowl right now.

so the second suggestion is regarding bonds being tied to alliances, alright even assuming this there is still no real "consequence" that might make an ingame feature any more worthwhile then in the forums. there are a few problems with tying loan/bond obligations to alliance:

A) alliance and character ownership is really fluid, it gets passed and traded around all too easily.

B) being able to shoot the defaulting alliance is not really much of a consequence specifically for null sec alliances as players have to venture out to null sec which makes them targeted by everyone. even if the alliance with a bond isn't able to shoot them in high sec, in null sec its all fair game, even if they implement a system that they can't shoot the corporations even in null sec they can circumvent that by having proxy alliances or allied alliances do it for them.

C) only real risk is character training required to operate alliance bonds even so, if the reward is worth it, i wouldn't call it a risk, more of an investment.

D) attempting to create a scam free capitals market is against the general theme of eve itself, last few commercials featured corp theft and other scamming opportunities that is the core image of eve, by creating something like they are essentially alienating a chunk of the user base

Looks great to me. And maybe people will start using the forum again now that it's not page after page of copypasted scam attempts.

Good riddance to all you latecomer, unoriginal scamming fucks.

It's a new day.

Oh, absolutely. I wasn't try to imply anything great about myself, just how incredibly tired and formulaic bond scamming has become.

We can all rejoice now that it is dead.