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CCP should inject PLEX
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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-10-12 09:59:02 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
And bear in mind that one of the main principles that CCP stands by is "non-interference" in EVE. They create and repurpose tools and rules... but they will never directly stop people from doing anything unless they pose a grave risk to the integrity of the game itself (ex. crashing the server, singling out and harassing a single player over a longer stretch of time for no good reason, etc).

While it's correct, that policy applies to a lesser extent regarding PLEX. CCP has clearly stated that the Eve Central Bank may interfere with the PLEX market if needed. PLEX is the only single market item in the game that's closely monitored and can be regulated by CCP for various reasons (see the state of economy presentation during fanfest).

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#42 - 2012-10-12 10:12:55 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:


I think PLEX should be a fixed price as I don't understand economics.





I TL;DR'd the OPs post for everyone.

The Soviet Union used price fixing too, and everyone knows how much of a ~powerhouse~ their economy was.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#43 - 2012-10-12 19:50:05 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Sounds like everyone's in to the theory that if war is good for the economy, nuclear war is better and blowing up the planet is best of all... think of the expense of arms and the profits... never mind no one would survive to enjoy the bounty!...

You all have swollowed the modern economic cool-aide by the bucket load... perhaps you should look more at what Thomas Paine commented on about 1800s on the other options...

I sit with the "American School" ... not the others...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)

No we are just trying to tell you that the EVE economy (and PLEX) does not work how you think it does.


If CCP sold PLEX on the market, they would lose money.


As it is right now:
Person A buys PLEX with real money (CCP gets paid).
Person A sells PLEX for ISK (which came from someone else, so no net gain of ISK, minor loss due to taxes).

Your idea:
Person A buys PLEX for ISK from CCP.
CCP loses money (about $19) and isk is taken out of the in game economy.

One part is great. However, the fact that CCP would lose almost all their income from this makes it a very very very bad idea.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-10-12 19:54:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
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Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#45 - 2012-10-12 20:50:56 UTC
Wait - how about if we could MINE Plexite roids in all belts and then refine into Plex but only in null-sec refineries?

hehe
Ur235
Appetite 4 Destruction
#46 - 2012-10-12 21:02:34 UTC
check plex prices now they have dropped by 40mill isk.. ish in 2 days stop whining

hmm
Cheshirepus
Divinity Rising
#47 - 2012-10-12 21:16:46 UTC
I have to deal with enough fiat currencies, Keynesian economics, and government manipulation of the market in the real world as it is.

Leave my free market alone... even if it is just a fantasy one.

Not like you couldn't buy a PLEX for $15 right now, sell it for 600M ISK and use the capital as an investment base for other things (even PLEX later on down the road if/when the bubble eventually bursts).
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-10-12 21:22:02 UTC
The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope.

-Karl Marx
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-10-12 21:23:20 UTC
These plex threads are getting boring as hell.

Market. Supply. Demand.

Deal with it. Quit crying like babies because you don't work a real job and can't afford to pay for your accounts.

Be glad that Eve has a mechanism in place at all that allows you to play for free if you don't completely suck at the game.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#50 - 2012-10-13 08:56:02 UTC
No no, I want to hear more about how people shouldn't be allowed to charge so much ISK for paying CCP to let me play for free.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#51 - 2012-10-15 07:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Out of curiosity is all of Eve going to get a warning before Dr E releases confiscated PLEX onto the markets or just the CSMs like he mentioned last fanfest?
Will this be a 1 hour warning or a 1 day warning or EX POST FACTO???
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Mortucus Taylor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-10-15 07:18:30 UTC
1 plex is supply and demand
2 no new isk is made from selling plex just a changing of hands
3 u either pay for your game time or u buy plex = supply and demand
4 the seller of plex wants his moneys worth they dictate what that is just like any free market
5 injecting plex cost ccp money why would they do that ....lol
6 START A TRADE WAR IF U DONT LIKE IT and undercut your competition
7 if u cant afford to play then don't i'm sorry but its 15 $ if u cant afford that drop the alts and play one acc if u still cant afford it be thankfull plex is even available every other game i play u pay to play or u dont play


lots of people buying plex at the moment thats why prices are so hi simple
Borascus
#53 - 2012-10-15 07:43:59 UTC
If you look at the fundamentals;

Player/s that have accumulated ISK are purging the sell orders (meaning the true supply will be recorded).
Its nearing winter (Northern Hemisphere) when people want to stay in doors, they'll likely see the inflated price of PLEX and drop summer wages to maximise return (if the bubble collapses they'll profit)
The player that wants to fund with PLEX will be forced to farm ISK for longer (meaning they are in the game and available longer)
The player that cannot find the time to farm enough ISK for PLEX might just be unable to continue playing, meaning a net loss in active connections.

This market volatility has its plus sides, but some may never return from it, thats the bad thing.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#54 - 2012-10-15 07:59:01 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
No no, I want to hear more about how people shouldn't be allowed to charge so much ISK for paying CCP to let me play for free.


haha, yes please. I too wish to read all these "facts".

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#55 - 2012-10-15 08:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
How then will i make masses of isk when i sell a bunch of plex's? Shocked

Welcome to EvE's player driven economy!! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-10-15 08:32:43 UTC
I am here to defend the player driven free market. Stop moaning about (player made!) plex prices. If it's too high for you, don't buy it. Easiest solution ever. If you have 99 or so accounts and cannot afford them anymore with ingame currency (= for free IRL), then well, I am very sorry for you.

This really sums it up pretty well:

Mortucus Taylor wrote:
1 plex is supply and demand
2 no new isk is made from selling plex just a changing of hands
3 u either pay for your game time or u buy plex = supply and demand
4 the seller of plex wants his moneys worth they dictate what that is just like any free market
5 injecting plex cost ccp money why would they do that ....lol
6 START A TRADE WAR IF U DONT LIKE IT and undercut your competition
7 if u cant afford to play then don't i'm sorry but its 15 $ if u cant afford that drop the alts and play one acc if u still cant afford it be thankfull plex is even available every other game i play u pay to play or u dont play


lots of people buying plex at the moment thats why prices are so hi simple




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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#57 - 2012-10-15 08:39:16 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Out of curiosity is all of Eve going to get a warning before Dr E releases confiscated PLEX onto the markets or just the CSMs like he mentioned last fanfest?
Will this be a 1 hour warning or a 1 day warning or EX POST FACTO???


Why should they say anything at all?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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