Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is nothing good about this idea, and may God have mercy on your soul...

This would essentially eliminate the sense of progression in game.... How would you replace it?

There's a sense of progression?

Training doesn't give me a sense of progression within this game simply because the train times are far too long.

The only sense of progression I get from this game is earning isk, gaining access to higher level missions, and acquiring assets.


With that said, the idea proposed would require a massive overhaul of the game in addition to an overhaul to the core concepts.


Personally what I would like to see is the skill training be based on usage.

Everything you do in the game has associated skills that go along with it so training can be as simple as buying the skill book, injecting it (provided you meet the requirements to do so), and playing the game. The training itself becomes a behind the curtain concept and as you play you will notice you can all of a sudden use and do things you couldn't before.

Of course you can still check on skill progression so you can see in which direction you are going and how far along you've come.

One of the big reason I enjoy the current skill system is that I can actually play the game without having to worry about my skills (for better or worse).
And if I need to do something that I don't have the skills for... I am forced to either find a way around the problem with the tools I have available or find someone with the those particular skills who is willing to help me.


That's because almost every other MMO out there is based on the XP-Level system where you must actively grind to gain power.

Since there are no "levels" in EVE and power is more abstract than linear progression, players who have played by the aforementioned system find themselves at a loss at what or how to do anything.

Patience (or lack of) is another problem too. I remember MMOs of the distant past where it took several months of serious effort to attain "max level." Now, in many games, it's common to get "max level" in less than a week or two.
EVE is a throwback to the "old ways" where not everyone can be a "warrior king" right away. You have to work your way up from the bottom and learn the "basics" first.


When EVE was first launched this was a part of the skills system. The more you shot your weapons, the faster your weapon skills trained.

However, players quickly abused this mechanic by creating self-repairing, cap stable ships... warping off to a safespot... aggroing an alt/friend in a similar setup... and then just shooting and repping for as long as it took to gain "max skills."
CCP quickly abandoned the mechanic.

Gee, wait, lemme think. SP/Time based advancement or EP/Grind based advancement?

Well, I have a life, so I pick A) SP/Time.

Btw, not a new idea.

People will always complain about what they don't or can't have.

I don't know about that. I just finished Fighter Bombers V (42 days, hooray for remapping) on my Nyx pilot & there was no sense of achievement. Getting my first Nyx probably will be though