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PLEX going up because CCP conjures ISK, buys PLEX, then trashes them.

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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-10-12 17:24:42 UTC
yes ccp is destroying their own game. lmao.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#82 - 2012-10-12 17:26:25 UTC
Reverend Cletis wrote:
I'm very sorry. OP is off his meds.

I could give a more complete list of his issues but that was given under confession.


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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#83 - 2012-10-12 17:55:14 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Somebody simply accumulates plexes, making a market pyramid, then sell plexes back, since they are hard commodity.

That somebody is you - inflation averse carebear. To turn all ISKs into fixed and stable plex and protect accumulated wealth, while at the same time make life less enjoyable for poorer guys who do not have such opportunity.

Yeah, we should just let all the value of isk be inflated away. Heh.

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Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2012-10-12 18:38:32 UTC
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#85 - 2012-10-12 18:51:20 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
I think y ou guys are all missing the point.

If you think the average casual player will spend 20hours a day ratting to raise isk to buy plex your crazy. Eve is suppose to be fun. Not a second job. If the mission botters are ratting 23/7 the regular player can't compete against that. If CCP is fixing the plex price to combat these botters this will only hurt the casual player. Risky for ccp to go this direction.

I've pay via credit card but I like to use the game plex from ratting or asests I've gathered to pay for this game. But I won't pay for these outragous plex prices. So If I'm going to continue paying.. I rather buy a one time pay game.. like Borderlands 2 or new X-COM. I'll come back when things settle down.. For now prices are nuts. Pirate and if they don't get regulated... oh well. Ugh

Lol and I thought 425mil isk for a plex was expensive.. hahaaa.. Blink




A hi-sec mission runner should be making about 40M/hr

that's 30 mins a day to buy a 600M PLEX.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#86 - 2012-10-12 18:51:35 UTC
In response to another thread:

No. I won't stop playing if PLEX stays or keeps going up.

I pay my subs with RL money, and the high price of PLEX is nice for when I have some extra cash and want to convert it to lots of isk.

Let it rise.

Profit favors the prepared
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
#87 - 2012-10-12 18:54:03 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
Now, this isn't a complaint. I want PLEX to be as expensive as possible because I don't think 'perse auki' scrubs should be able to fly for free.

That said, PLEX price surges are easy to explain.

A PLEX is simply a 'gift certificate' for game time. A player pays currency and gets a PLEX.
The PLEX represents a promise from CCP provide 30 days of server resources (or AURUM) to the bearer.
Destruction of PLEX is the equivalent of tearing up these 'gift certificates' - or flushing them down the toilet.
This makes CCP happy because they collected $$$ without having to provide a service. The gift certificate, though paid for, never will be redeemed.

So,
-CCP can create or remove ISK from the game at will. (We know this because of negative ISK accounts reported for RMTers.)
-PLEX are available on the open market for ISK, and CCP can create or destroy alts at will.

CCP simply creates ISK out of thin air, then buys them off the market (injecting ISK into the game), and then trashes them.

Result? PLEX prices go up.
CCP then invites players to buy more PLEX - for those players to sell on the market for ever higher amounts of ISK.

Of course, ISK inflation results as CCP pumps ISK into the system via PLEX buys.
But why would they care? They are earning cash without having to provide valuable 'server resources' for that cash.
All they have to do is provide ISK which is 'free'.....even though it erodes the buying power of everyone 'honestly' playing the game.

Simple. Corrupt. Profitable. And CCP is easily capable of it.
(Remember, this is the same company that quietly provided T2 Blueprints to favored Alliances. Then....BANNED Kugu for discovering the cancer and going public with it.)


I think you make money by robbing banks wearing a ski-mask. I don't have any proof of this, but I'm sure you're perfectly capable of doing it, so it must be true.
On a more serious note: SHUT UP! Please! You're making my eyeballs bleed.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#88 - 2012-10-12 19:02:37 UTC
tl;dr:

1. Sneak into Mom's kitchen drawer, collect foil
2. Sneak into Dad's garage, steal funnel.
3. Wrap foil neatly around funnel, place on head.
4. ???
5. Profit!

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Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-10-12 19:03:34 UTC
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I must be the only one with a job.

I love the rising of the PLEX price, like it does every year towards winter.

800 million ISK ... WOOHOOO that'd be awesome, i'd buy ten for lousy 200 bucks ! :D

Get a job !



Get a life!


So playing internet spaceships all day, so that one can keep playing the game for free = having a life.

But working in a high-paying job to support one's family, enjoy nice vacations, and play Eve when time permits, while being able to blow $200 on PLEX without blinking for funzies = not having a life.

Got it.
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#90 - 2012-10-12 19:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bart Starr
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:

OP... You can't make a leap in logic that just because someone can do X, them they have done X. Heck, you have the capacity to biomass your character... Well... By your logic this shoukd already have been done.


I don't profit from biomassing though.
Also, that could easily be proven without getting banned, as I would then be in 'Doomheim'.

I don't think this is a matter of 'IF' they are doing it. Its simply a matter of how much.

Its easy enough to create an alt, give it billions of ISK, set up a large buy order in Jita and other trade hubs, or simply fill existing sell orders. Then take the stack of PLEX bought with conjured ISK, and 'trash it'.

Price point of PLEX is shifted upwards, CCP no longer has to 'honor' those outstanding PLEX gift certificates, or provide a service for them. Higher PLEX prices encourage more $$$ purchases because high price point of PLEX is highly visible, while inflation is less so.

Bing, they just directly converted a fake currency into a real one, without even having to provide a nominal service for it.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-10-12 19:24:04 UTC
Basically, you've just ignored any signs of discussion found on those 5 pages (there are some, I've checked) and have re-written your OP basically.
Nice argument there.

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Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#92 - 2012-10-12 19:37:15 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Basically, you've just ignored any signs of discussion found on those 5 pages (there are some, I've checked) and have re-written your OP basically.
Nice argument there.


Unfortunately, attempting to prove it without CCP logs would require I control all the PLEX on the market over a period of months or years. I'm not that wealthy.

It would be like proving that a player is involved in RMT. Can't be done without inside information.
Yet we know that exists because of the profit motive.

CCP has a profit motive and the ability to do it without being caught.
I would argue they would be stupid NOT to do it.
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#93 - 2012-10-12 19:38:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bart Starr
CCP isn't doing it because CCP sez so, got it.

Wow, I must be seeing things, did ISD Type40 just delete his own lockpost? Thats a first for me.
Sara Mars
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-10-12 19:39:39 UTC
CCP Gargant wrote:
My answer can be summarized in this handy clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGs

But to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect.


With responces like that its no wonder people don't take you guys seriously.. If I'm not mistaken a couple yrs ago you guys said you would intervene in the plex market if it got too out of hand.. my question to you why iis CCP creating more uses for plex as currency with an end result of elimating a part of the community?
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-10-12 19:42:36 UTC
CCP makes 5 USD extra for every time someone uses a PLEX. It should actually be in CCP's interest for the price to remain low, causing more people to be able to buy PLEX.

Please stop saying PLEX equals a free account, because it's not. Someone, somewhere, pays for it somewhere down the line.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-10-12 19:45:32 UTC
All of you need to take off those tritanium hats.
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-10-12 19:48:24 UTC
lmao

umadbro?
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#98 - 2012-10-12 19:48:52 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
CCP makes 5 USD extra for every time someone uses a PLEX. It should actually be in CCP's interest for the price to remain low, causing more people to be able to buy PLEX.

Please stop saying PLEX equals a free account, because it's not. Someone, somewhere, pays for it somewhere down the line.


High PLEX prices causes people to buy more of them with Cash. (which is what CCP wants) Because most people buying PLEX from CCP simply want to sell them for ISK. High ISK for PLEX prices mean more ISK for the $.

OBV PLEX is not a free account. Its like another player gave you a gift certificate from Barnes and Noble.
You can use it or trash it, but Barnes and Noble prefers you trash it because they don't have to provide a service, and the $$$ in the bank is front-loaded.

In this case, CCP is trashing their own gift-certificates by conjuring ISK. The service they are providing?
ISK that can be created at a keypress. Thats a lot easier than providing server time (which requires $$$ to support)
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#99 - 2012-10-12 19:57:13 UTC
Maybe someone at CCP should explain to the OP what "IA" means and how big the sense of humor of the guys in it have when it comes to the type of shenanigans he is proposing.

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Lolar55
Banana Toaster
#100 - 2012-10-12 20:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lolar55
If my memory serves me right CCP fired one of their own employs after their internal security team discovered he was using his power to help ppl ingame so its highly unlikely that they would decide to do something like that on a larger scale, that would make their security team obsolute.Pure logic.